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The result was delete. Aoidh ( talk) 01:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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While the man appears to have written a fair bit no one really seems to be writing about him the sources are lists of books and what looks like a self authored bio and I can't find anything better ©Geni ( talk) 10:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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- As the person who originally PRODded the article, delete. I didn't find anything in terms of sources to that man's name when I googled him, and that's surprising - usually I'd find at least a few unreliable sources.
LilianaUwU (
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08:28, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're referring to secondary sources? There's a lot of material on his publications and biographies on various websites.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:299C:EE96:9FE5:4A4F (
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13:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Primary sources should be generally avoided. LilianaUwU ( talk / contributions) 22:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're referring to secondary sources? There's a lot of material on his publications and biographies on various websites.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:299C:EE96:9FE5:4A4F (
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13:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Lacking in sources - either primary or secondary. Lamona ( talk) 01:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Honestly, I would have been tempted to CSD this for close paraphrasing. Comparing it to his
Titan Books bio, there's some clear copypasting of sentences going on. Also, to address the keep votes - being prolific and being notable are two different things. What counts is in depth independent reliable sources (i.e. what others say about the subject), not how many times their name comes up on Google or Wikipedia, and everything that I'm seeing is either dependent on the subject (bios, their own work) or is a passing mention (the Locus Online source added by the IP just names Grassmann as the editor and lacks any depth about the subject)
CiphriusKane (
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05:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- A CSD doesn't make sense here. What others say about a subject are based on the subject himself. In truth, this isn't different from many other author pages on Wikipedia, as Yumi80 mentions below.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:21FE:C2CA:AC9F:90F9 (
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06:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- G12 - copyright infringement, G11 - blatant advertising. Other author pages don't look like a mirror of their official bio. And if the sources are relaying what Grassman is saying then it's not independent and therefore doesn't contribute to notability CiphriusKane ( talk) 06:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- A CSD doesn't make sense here. What others say about a subject are based on the subject himself. In truth, this isn't different from many other author pages on Wikipedia, as Yumi80 mentions below.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:21FE:C2CA:AC9F:90F9 (
talk)
06:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment:
Yumi80 was blocked for being a sockpuppet of
Extropian73, the article creator.
LilianaUwU (
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contributions)
02:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've moved all of their top-level votes into a {{hat}}. The /64 range has also been blocked for 1 week for the non-checkuser IPv6s by GirthSummit. SWinxy ( talk) 21:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Aoidh ( talk) 01:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Preston Grassmann ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
While the man appears to have written a fair bit no one really seems to be writing about him the sources are lists of books and what looks like a self authored bio and I can't find anything better ©Geni ( talk) 10:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors and California. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
| IPs and socks blocked. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Extropian73. SWinxy ( talk) 21:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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- As the person who originally PRODded the article, delete. I didn't find anything in terms of sources to that man's name when I googled him, and that's surprising - usually I'd find at least a few unreliable sources.
LilianaUwU (
talk /
contributions)
08:28, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're referring to secondary sources? There's a lot of material on his publications and biographies on various websites.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:299C:EE96:9FE5:4A4F (
talk)
13:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Primary sources should be generally avoided. LilianaUwU ( talk / contributions) 22:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're referring to secondary sources? There's a lot of material on his publications and biographies on various websites.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:299C:EE96:9FE5:4A4F (
talk)
13:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Lacking in sources - either primary or secondary. Lamona ( talk) 01:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Honestly, I would have been tempted to CSD this for close paraphrasing. Comparing it to his
Titan Books bio, there's some clear copypasting of sentences going on. Also, to address the keep votes - being prolific and being notable are two different things. What counts is in depth independent reliable sources (i.e. what others say about the subject), not how many times their name comes up on Google or Wikipedia, and everything that I'm seeing is either dependent on the subject (bios, their own work) or is a passing mention (the Locus Online source added by the IP just names Grassmann as the editor and lacks any depth about the subject)
CiphriusKane (
talk)
05:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- A CSD doesn't make sense here. What others say about a subject are based on the subject himself. In truth, this isn't different from many other author pages on Wikipedia, as Yumi80 mentions below.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:21FE:C2CA:AC9F:90F9 (
talk)
06:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- G12 - copyright infringement, G11 - blatant advertising. Other author pages don't look like a mirror of their official bio. And if the sources are relaying what Grassman is saying then it's not independent and therefore doesn't contribute to notability CiphriusKane ( talk) 06:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- A CSD doesn't make sense here. What others say about a subject are based on the subject himself. In truth, this isn't different from many other author pages on Wikipedia, as Yumi80 mentions below.
2400:2410:C861:FD00:21FE:C2CA:AC9F:90F9 (
talk)
06:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment:
Yumi80 was blocked for being a sockpuppet of
Extropian73, the article creator.
LilianaUwU (
talk /
contributions)
02:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've moved all of their top-level votes into a {{hat}}. The /64 range has also been blocked for 1 week for the non-checkuser IPv6s by GirthSummit. SWinxy ( talk) 21:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.