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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Political violence in the United States during the Cold War
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Entire article is a mish-mash of WP:SYNTHESIS, seeking to bring disparate events under the Cold War umbrella. See for example many entries at the horrendously bloated infobox such as Wounded Knee Occupation, what does the pre-existing dispute betwen the federal government and native Americans have to do with the Cold War? Then you have the Stonewall riots at "Events and incidents", they are nothing to do with the Cold War either. These aren't isolated examples, there are many, many incidents and groups listed that have have nothing to do with the Cold War. While it's possible a proper article about the subject could be written this definitely isn't it, so per WP:TNT this article shouldn't be allowed to remain. Kathleen's bike ( talk) 14:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I'd be more likely to keep it if it had some sort of sourcing that discussed this point. Some unsourced paragraphs, then a wall of links to other articles and an infobox that looks like everyone was against the government at the same time, all at once. Weird SYNTH here.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- then source them yourself (
Personal attack removed)
NoahMusic2009 (
talk)
20:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, I'm not interested in this topic. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- then source them yourself (
Personal attack removed)
NoahMusic2009 (
talk)
20:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The Cold War was decades long, many of these events were unrelated to the international relations issue. If the creator wants to compile these as those related to the Civil Rights Movement or those related to the Vietnam War in other related articles that may be better. Reywas92 Talk 17:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete; very odd
WP:SYNTH going on here. Many of these events have nothing to do with the Cold War and the sources don't appear to connect the topics in this manner.
Left guide (
talk)
20:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- It says "during the Cold War" not "relating to the Cold War." Many events during this period can be traced back to the political climate of the time. NoahMusic2009 ( talk) 20:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is "Political violence in the United States (1947-89)" valid? Similar to the article about Turkey — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bill3602 (
talk •
contribs)
04:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but rename: I would also support changing it's name to Political violence in the United States (1947–1989).
Charles Essie (
talk)
00:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Are there reliable sources that specifically delineate 1947–1989 as a distinctive era in the history of political violence in the U.S.? If not, then moving the page simply leaves one form of WP:SYNTH and enters another, and the best-case scenario I could see for preserving this material would be to merge it into a related article with a broader scope. Left guide ( talk) 02:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Political violence in the United States redirects to List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States. While not everything there is political violence, since this article is just (also) a bullet-pointed list of events, I don't see the purpose of keeping it when it now just duplicates that page. Reywas92 Talk 16:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but rename: I would also support changing it's name to Political violence in the United States (1947–1989).
Charles Essie (
talk)
00:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per the nomination, this is a hot mess of WP:SYNTH. TarnishedPath talk 08:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- keep and improve - I think it could be turned into a good article. It is currently poorly referenced, but the era + place + political violence combination is a perfectly valid article topic, and Cold War era in the USA was a time and place where a lot of political violence was happening.
Irtapil (
talk)
14:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, I feel that if we use the information (that was properly sourced) in the links, we can make a pretty compelling article about the political violence during the time period. Danimal5407 ( talk) 19:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- If there is a good article on this topic then this needs WP:TNT at the very least because this is unremitting WP:SYNTH. TarnishedPath talk 07:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Beyond SYNTH, this is a poorly-sourced essay attached to a random list of protests from 1945 onwards. Bearian ( talk) 16:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Aside from the WP:SYNTH aspects, the only possible justification for this is satisfying WP:NLIST and there is simply no sourcing that satisfies this group as a class by the time period. This clearly fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Arguments that this is useful or can be improved can only be justified on the basis of reliable sourcing *with which it could* be improved. With all respect, in the absence of reliable sourcing about the *class* those arguments carry no weight. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 00:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Political violence in the United States during the Cold War
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- Political violence in the United States during the Cold War ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Entire article is a mish-mash of WP:SYNTHESIS, seeking to bring disparate events under the Cold War umbrella. See for example many entries at the horrendously bloated infobox such as Wounded Knee Occupation, what does the pre-existing dispute betwen the federal government and native Americans have to do with the Cold War? Then you have the Stonewall riots at "Events and incidents", they are nothing to do with the Cold War either. These aren't isolated examples, there are many, many incidents and groups listed that have have nothing to do with the Cold War. While it's possible a proper article about the subject could be written this definitely isn't it, so per WP:TNT this article shouldn't be allowed to remain. Kathleen's bike ( talk) 14:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I'd be more likely to keep it if it had some sort of sourcing that discussed this point. Some unsourced paragraphs, then a wall of links to other articles and an infobox that looks like everyone was against the government at the same time, all at once. Weird SYNTH here.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- then source them yourself (
Personal attack removed)
NoahMusic2009 (
talk)
20:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, I'm not interested in this topic. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- then source them yourself (
Personal attack removed)
NoahMusic2009 (
talk)
20:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The Cold War was decades long, many of these events were unrelated to the international relations issue. If the creator wants to compile these as those related to the Civil Rights Movement or those related to the Vietnam War in other related articles that may be better. Reywas92 Talk 17:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete; very odd
WP:SYNTH going on here. Many of these events have nothing to do with the Cold War and the sources don't appear to connect the topics in this manner.
Left guide (
talk)
20:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- It says "during the Cold War" not "relating to the Cold War." Many events during this period can be traced back to the political climate of the time. NoahMusic2009 ( talk) 20:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is "Political violence in the United States (1947-89)" valid? Similar to the article about Turkey — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bill3602 (
talk •
contribs)
04:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but rename: I would also support changing it's name to Political violence in the United States (1947–1989).
Charles Essie (
talk)
00:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Are there reliable sources that specifically delineate 1947–1989 as a distinctive era in the history of political violence in the U.S.? If not, then moving the page simply leaves one form of WP:SYNTH and enters another, and the best-case scenario I could see for preserving this material would be to merge it into a related article with a broader scope. Left guide ( talk) 02:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Political violence in the United States redirects to List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States. While not everything there is political violence, since this article is just (also) a bullet-pointed list of events, I don't see the purpose of keeping it when it now just duplicates that page. Reywas92 Talk 16:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but rename: I would also support changing it's name to Political violence in the United States (1947–1989).
Charles Essie (
talk)
00:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per the nomination, this is a hot mess of WP:SYNTH. TarnishedPath talk 08:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- keep and improve - I think it could be turned into a good article. It is currently poorly referenced, but the era + place + political violence combination is a perfectly valid article topic, and Cold War era in the USA was a time and place where a lot of political violence was happening.
Irtapil (
talk)
14:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, I feel that if we use the information (that was properly sourced) in the links, we can make a pretty compelling article about the political violence during the time period. Danimal5407 ( talk) 19:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- If there is a good article on this topic then this needs WP:TNT at the very least because this is unremitting WP:SYNTH. TarnishedPath talk 07:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Beyond SYNTH, this is a poorly-sourced essay attached to a random list of protests from 1945 onwards. Bearian ( talk) 16:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Aside from the WP:SYNTH aspects, the only possible justification for this is satisfying WP:NLIST and there is simply no sourcing that satisfies this group as a class by the time period. This clearly fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Arguments that this is useful or can be improved can only be justified on the basis of reliable sourcing *with which it could* be improved. With all respect, in the absence of reliable sourcing about the *class* those arguments carry no weight. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 00:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.