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The result was delete. Consensus that the subject does not meet notability requirements for an article in the encyclopedia. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Polina Hryn
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An immense amount of very minor material. Extensive namedropping, including what I will call second degree namedropping, where the subject interviewed non-notable people who have connections with some actually notable people
If anyone can reduce this to reason I'll withdraw the AfD DGG ( talk ) 03:22, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 03:28, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete a lot of wikilinks to people who are notable but no evidence of any notability for the subject itself. The large number of references are primary sources with no real third party coverage conferring notability. MLA ( talk) 04:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as my own searches have found nothing noticeably better at all and the article, through and put aside the massive amounts of sources, still suggest nothing actually convincingly better. SwisterTwister talk 04:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Virtually zero independent coverage of this person, and nothing in-depth. I found a Los Angeles Times article [1] about an artist on one of her shows that mentions her and her "TV show". It was quite revealing: TradioV, an online channel that broadcasts in-studio discussions (think of it as a radio station with a camera filming the recording).... I also found this puff-piece in the local Laguna Beach newspaper and a passing mention of her in the "Acknowledgements" in this book from the vanity publisher Morgan James Publishing. She was attempting to crowd-fund her "Po-Show" recently [2] and these 4 press releases are the sole coverage mentioning her in Google news. The creator of this article has also been publicising her, her associates, and her projects in other WP articles since 2012, alas to no avail [3], [4], [5]. DGG, this article can't be reduced to reason unless it consisted of one sentence about one artist appearing on her show, and the fact that she is the "promotional director" for another one [6]. There is simply not enough independent coverage of her to source any kind of article let alone a biography of a living person. Note that most of the sources in the article for the claims that she is somehow involved with reasonably notable people, don't even mention her, although there is a photo of her sweeping the mud out of Vladimir Kush's gallery after a rainstorm in Laguna Beach 6 years ago [7]. Voceditenore ( talk) 05:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- Update I have drastically truncated the article to include only the information about her which can be independently verified. There was no reason to keep that advertorial nonsense on Wikipedia for the duration of this AfD. It now also makes clear what constitutes her career, minus the puffery and minus the primary sourced name-dropping of people who allegedly appeared on her podcasts or at events at her spa. This is what the "References" section originally looked like. The following reference commentary is from today's revised version:
- 1. Los Angeles Times article about a local Laguna Beach sculptor and the web tv show she co-hosted with Hryn. The article devotes three sentences to Hryn and describes her as "a painter and arts promoter"
- 2. Brief radio schedule announcement in the local paper (Laguna Beach Independent) simply stating that she was the co-host of Spoken Word Spoken Song, a web radio show on KX@OneLaguna
- 3. Laguna Beach community news website (Stu News), not mentioning her but confirming that KX@OneLaguna became defunct after a year
- 4. Local newspaper (Coastline Pilot) puff-piece on her newly opened spa in Laguna Beach
- 5. Another Coastline Pilot piece explicitly based on one of her press releases and verfiying that the spa closed after a year
- 6. Orange County Register article on art fraud affecting several Laguna Beach art galleries, with two brief quotes from her and describing her as the "promotional director" of Vladimir Kush's gallery.
- 7. Event announcement by the local chapter of the United States National Committee for UN Women verifying that she was the emcee at one of their fundraising events.
- It's now quite clear that the subject fails the general notability criteria and quite comprehensively fails the alternative criteria for creative professionals ( WP:ARTIST). Voceditenore ( talk) 09:38, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Consensus that the subject does not meet notability requirements for an article in the encyclopedia. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Polina Hryn
- Polina Hryn ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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An immense amount of very minor material. Extensive namedropping, including what I will call second degree namedropping, where the subject interviewed non-notable people who have connections with some actually notable people
If anyone can reduce this to reason I'll withdraw the AfD DGG ( talk ) 03:22, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 03:28, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 03:28, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete a lot of wikilinks to people who are notable but no evidence of any notability for the subject itself. The large number of references are primary sources with no real third party coverage conferring notability. MLA ( talk) 04:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as my own searches have found nothing noticeably better at all and the article, through and put aside the massive amounts of sources, still suggest nothing actually convincingly better. SwisterTwister talk 04:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Virtually zero independent coverage of this person, and nothing in-depth. I found a Los Angeles Times article [1] about an artist on one of her shows that mentions her and her "TV show". It was quite revealing: TradioV, an online channel that broadcasts in-studio discussions (think of it as a radio station with a camera filming the recording).... I also found this puff-piece in the local Laguna Beach newspaper and a passing mention of her in the "Acknowledgements" in this book from the vanity publisher Morgan James Publishing. She was attempting to crowd-fund her "Po-Show" recently [2] and these 4 press releases are the sole coverage mentioning her in Google news. The creator of this article has also been publicising her, her associates, and her projects in other WP articles since 2012, alas to no avail [3], [4], [5]. DGG, this article can't be reduced to reason unless it consisted of one sentence about one artist appearing on her show, and the fact that she is the "promotional director" for another one [6]. There is simply not enough independent coverage of her to source any kind of article let alone a biography of a living person. Note that most of the sources in the article for the claims that she is somehow involved with reasonably notable people, don't even mention her, although there is a photo of her sweeping the mud out of Vladimir Kush's gallery after a rainstorm in Laguna Beach 6 years ago [7]. Voceditenore ( talk) 05:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- Update I have drastically truncated the article to include only the information about her which can be independently verified. There was no reason to keep that advertorial nonsense on Wikipedia for the duration of this AfD. It now also makes clear what constitutes her career, minus the puffery and minus the primary sourced name-dropping of people who allegedly appeared on her podcasts or at events at her spa. This is what the "References" section originally looked like. The following reference commentary is from today's revised version:
- 1. Los Angeles Times article about a local Laguna Beach sculptor and the web tv show she co-hosted with Hryn. The article devotes three sentences to Hryn and describes her as "a painter and arts promoter"
- 2. Brief radio schedule announcement in the local paper (Laguna Beach Independent) simply stating that she was the co-host of Spoken Word Spoken Song, a web radio show on KX@OneLaguna
- 3. Laguna Beach community news website (Stu News), not mentioning her but confirming that KX@OneLaguna became defunct after a year
- 4. Local newspaper (Coastline Pilot) puff-piece on her newly opened spa in Laguna Beach
- 5. Another Coastline Pilot piece explicitly based on one of her press releases and verfiying that the spa closed after a year
- 6. Orange County Register article on art fraud affecting several Laguna Beach art galleries, with two brief quotes from her and describing her as the "promotional director" of Vladimir Kush's gallery.
- 7. Event announcement by the local chapter of the United States National Committee for UN Women verifying that she was the emcee at one of their fundraising events.
- It's now quite clear that the subject fails the general notability criteria and quite comprehensively fails the alternative criteria for creative professionals ( WP:ARTIST). Voceditenore ( talk) 09:38, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.