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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP: NOTABILITY. The event is a part of the Maratha invasions of Bengal, and the prelude of First Battle of Katwa. Not much coverage in WP:RS, except some scattered lines. Not enough coverage in reliable sources for an article; and "Plunder of Murshidabad" is WP:OR as such an event is not named by any Historians. Imperial [AFCND] 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep-Look, this article has already been accepted by the admin, and that's proof of its notability. [ /info/en/?search=User_talk:Akshunwar #Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Plunder_of_Murshidabad_(1742)_has_been_accepted] Even in Reliable Sources, this event receives significant coverage: 1. {{tq|In 1742 Maratha general Bhaskar Ram invaded Bengal and surrounded the Nawab at Burdwan, but he escaped. The Marathas plundered Murshidabad, the capital of the Nawab, and secured a booty of about 2 crores of rupees. They captured Orissa.}}<ref>{{Cite book |last=Vaish |first=Devi Charan Lal |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=wvcgAAAAMAAJ&newbks=0&hl=en |title=The Rise of British Power and the Fall of Marathas |date=1972 |publisher=Upper India Publishing House |language=en}}</ref>
- 2. The nawabi had since 1740 been ruled by a Turkish adventurer, Alivardi Khan, who had, from the abundant treasury at Murshidabad, sent two crores of rupees to Delhi to secure his nomination as nawab. The British found him ready to sustain the conditions in which business flourished, but he was no match for the Marathas, who swept into Bengal in April 1742 and plundered Murshidabad. Their outfliers caused panic in Calcutta where the Company began to dig the Maratha ditch to keep them out. For the next seven years the golden province of Bengal was afflicted by roving armies, until Alivardi Khan bought off the Marathas by paying chauth of 12 lakhs of rupees a year. The merchants of Calcutta trembled, but one merchant in Bengal saw only advantage in the weakness of formerly powerful Mughal princes in the face of Maratha attack.
- 3. <ref>{{Cite book |last=Cavaliero |first=Roderick |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=BxKJDwAAQBAJ&newbks=0&hl=en |title=Strangers in the Land: The Rise and Decline of the British Indian Empire |date=2002-06-28 |publisher=Bloomsbury Publishing |isbn=978-0-85771-707-8 |language=en}}</ref>
- 4. There are already articles on Wikipedia which are based on the place name where the event took place and this doesn't violate WP:OR. Akshunwar ( talk) 22:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep- Several historic books use the exact phrasing "Plunder of Murshidabad", which dispels the notion that it is original research. Some of these are History of Orissa: From the Earliest Times to the British Period (1980) and Bengal, Past & Present Journal of the Calcutta Historical Society (1934). Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 17:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)- Keep per Vinegarymass911's findings. Courtesy mentioning @ ToadetteEdit as you reviewed the draft at AFC, you could probably provide some thoughts. X ( talk) 08:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – passes notability guidelines, per above !votes. Toadette Edit! 23:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Reliable sources from some historians like Jadunath Sarkar, Kalikinkar Datta, J. O. Lindsay, Stewart Gordon that help in the verification of the content. Page passes WP:GNG. RangersRus ( talk) 13:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP: NOTABILITY. The event is a part of the Maratha invasions of Bengal, and the prelude of First Battle of Katwa. Not much coverage in WP:RS, except some scattered lines. Not enough coverage in reliable sources for an article; and "Plunder of Murshidabad" is WP:OR as such an event is not named by any Historians. Imperial [AFCND] 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Bangladesh, and India. Imperial [AFCND] 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep-Look, this article has already been accepted by the admin, and that's proof of its notability. [ /info/en/?search=User_talk:Akshunwar #Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Plunder_of_Murshidabad_(1742)_has_been_accepted] Even in Reliable Sources, this event receives significant coverage: 1. {{tq|In 1742 Maratha general Bhaskar Ram invaded Bengal and surrounded the Nawab at Burdwan, but he escaped. The Marathas plundered Murshidabad, the capital of the Nawab, and secured a booty of about 2 crores of rupees. They captured Orissa.}}<ref>{{Cite book |last=Vaish |first=Devi Charan Lal |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=wvcgAAAAMAAJ&newbks=0&hl=en |title=The Rise of British Power and the Fall of Marathas |date=1972 |publisher=Upper India Publishing House |language=en}}</ref>
- 2. The nawabi had since 1740 been ruled by a Turkish adventurer, Alivardi Khan, who had, from the abundant treasury at Murshidabad, sent two crores of rupees to Delhi to secure his nomination as nawab. The British found him ready to sustain the conditions in which business flourished, but he was no match for the Marathas, who swept into Bengal in April 1742 and plundered Murshidabad. Their outfliers caused panic in Calcutta where the Company began to dig the Maratha ditch to keep them out. For the next seven years the golden province of Bengal was afflicted by roving armies, until Alivardi Khan bought off the Marathas by paying chauth of 12 lakhs of rupees a year. The merchants of Calcutta trembled, but one merchant in Bengal saw only advantage in the weakness of formerly powerful Mughal princes in the face of Maratha attack.
- 3. <ref>{{Cite book |last=Cavaliero |first=Roderick |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=BxKJDwAAQBAJ&newbks=0&hl=en |title=Strangers in the Land: The Rise and Decline of the British Indian Empire |date=2002-06-28 |publisher=Bloomsbury Publishing |isbn=978-0-85771-707-8 |language=en}}</ref>
- 4. There are already articles on Wikipedia which are based on the place name where the event took place and this doesn't violate WP:OR. Akshunwar ( talk) 22:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep- Several historic books use the exact phrasing "Plunder of Murshidabad", which dispels the notion that it is original research. Some of these are History of Orissa: From the Earliest Times to the British Period (1980) and Bengal, Past & Present Journal of the Calcutta Historical Society (1934). Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 17:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)- Keep per Vinegarymass911's findings. Courtesy mentioning @ ToadetteEdit as you reviewed the draft at AFC, you could probably provide some thoughts. X ( talk) 08:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – passes notability guidelines, per above !votes. Toadette Edit! 23:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Reliable sources from some historians like Jadunath Sarkar, Kalikinkar Datta, J. O. Lindsay, Stewart Gordon that help in the verification of the content. Page passes WP:GNG. RangersRus ( talk) 13:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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