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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) KittenKlub ( talk) 22:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Pikin Santi
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Withdrawn by nominator. @ Fentener van Vlissingen:You just created a beautiful story out of thin air. Chapeau! because a web search turned triggered my disappointment. Also per Mccapra BTW. KittenKlub ( talk) 22:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Pikin Santi is non-notable village. A quick search brings up a wordpress document which says that population was 60. [1] Only resorts are in the Suriname census. The information in the document could be transferred to the resort Wanhatti, but the only information are the names of captain which cannot be verified. KittenKlub ( talk) 18:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly are the criteria for notability of a village? There are very few Amerindian or Maroon villages with more than 60 inhabitants, even the residencies of the
granman of the Maroon nations (
Asidonhopo,
Diitabiki,
Langatabiki,
Pusugrunu,
Witagron) don't usually exceed that number. I guess you could nominate all villages in
this category for deletion.
Fentener van Vlissingen (
talk)
20:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Fentener van Vlissingen:It's more a combination. Langatabiki has an article. The problem is providing information more than the obvious about these tiny villages. If I search for the village, there are some travel stories and that's it. It is a
Ndyuka village, so it's fully autonomous from the Suriname government which makes finding any sources even harder. There are pages about the resorts and there is reasonably reliable information about the total number of inhabitants.
KittenKlub (
talk)
20:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ KittenKlub: I can't say I agree. Köbben spent some time in Pikin Santi during his anthropological fieldwork and published quite some ethnographic material about the place. Pikin Santi is also mentioned in the book by Polimé and Thoden van Velzen about the Interior War and is mentioned in the Moiwana trial. If you search for Pikin Santi on Google Books there are plenty of hits, all from highly relevant material. Fentener van Vlissingen ( talk) 22:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Fentener van Vlissingen:It's more a combination. Langatabiki has an article. The problem is providing information more than the obvious about these tiny villages. If I search for the village, there are some travel stories and that's it. It is a
Ndyuka village, so it's fully autonomous from the Suriname government which makes finding any sources even harder. There are pages about the resorts and there is reasonably reliable information about the total number of inhabitants.
KittenKlub (
talk)
20:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Not sure if this place is legally recognised; if it is, it’s notable under WP:GEOLAND. If not, there are enough mentions of it in RIS to pass GNG. Mccapra ( talk) 20:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Mccapra:In that case I'll withdraw. The recognition is not the problem. The village exists and it's on the map. KittenKlub ( talk) 21:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Mccapra:Yes, this village is legally recognized by the Surinamese authorities. Since the 1760 peace between the Ndyuka and the Dutch colonial authorities, the captains of Ndyuka villages are recognized as traditional authorities (Dutch: traditioneel gezag) and receive salaries paid for by the state. Fentener van Vlissingen ( talk) 22:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. No rush, that’s just my opinion. Other editors may have other views. Mccapra ( talk) 21:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Mccapra:I'm going to leave it open for now. KittenKlub ( talk) 21:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) KittenKlub ( talk) 22:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Pikin Santi
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Withdrawn by nominator. @ Fentener van Vlissingen:You just created a beautiful story out of thin air. Chapeau! because a web search turned triggered my disappointment. Also per Mccapra BTW. KittenKlub ( talk) 22:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Pikin Santi is non-notable village. A quick search brings up a wordpress document which says that population was 60. [1] Only resorts are in the Suriname census. The information in the document could be transferred to the resort Wanhatti, but the only information are the names of captain which cannot be verified. KittenKlub ( talk) 18:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly are the criteria for notability of a village? There are very few Amerindian or Maroon villages with more than 60 inhabitants, even the residencies of the
granman of the Maroon nations (
Asidonhopo,
Diitabiki,
Langatabiki,
Pusugrunu,
Witagron) don't usually exceed that number. I guess you could nominate all villages in
this category for deletion.
Fentener van Vlissingen (
talk)
20:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Fentener van Vlissingen:It's more a combination. Langatabiki has an article. The problem is providing information more than the obvious about these tiny villages. If I search for the village, there are some travel stories and that's it. It is a
Ndyuka village, so it's fully autonomous from the Suriname government which makes finding any sources even harder. There are pages about the resorts and there is reasonably reliable information about the total number of inhabitants.
KittenKlub (
talk)
20:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ KittenKlub: I can't say I agree. Köbben spent some time in Pikin Santi during his anthropological fieldwork and published quite some ethnographic material about the place. Pikin Santi is also mentioned in the book by Polimé and Thoden van Velzen about the Interior War and is mentioned in the Moiwana trial. If you search for Pikin Santi on Google Books there are plenty of hits, all from highly relevant material. Fentener van Vlissingen ( talk) 22:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Fentener van Vlissingen:It's more a combination. Langatabiki has an article. The problem is providing information more than the obvious about these tiny villages. If I search for the village, there are some travel stories and that's it. It is a
Ndyuka village, so it's fully autonomous from the Suriname government which makes finding any sources even harder. There are pages about the resorts and there is reasonably reliable information about the total number of inhabitants.
KittenKlub (
talk)
20:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Not sure if this place is legally recognised; if it is, it’s notable under WP:GEOLAND. If not, there are enough mentions of it in RIS to pass GNG. Mccapra ( talk) 20:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Mccapra:In that case I'll withdraw. The recognition is not the problem. The village exists and it's on the map. KittenKlub ( talk) 21:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Mccapra:Yes, this village is legally recognized by the Surinamese authorities. Since the 1760 peace between the Ndyuka and the Dutch colonial authorities, the captains of Ndyuka villages are recognized as traditional authorities (Dutch: traditioneel gezag) and receive salaries paid for by the state. Fentener van Vlissingen ( talk) 22:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. No rush, that’s just my opinion. Other editors may have other views. Mccapra ( talk) 21:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Mccapra:I'm going to leave it open for now. KittenKlub ( talk) 21:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.