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Physical punishment is, however, a common term for referring to corporal punishment (judging by the pages that link to it), so maybe a redirect to
Corporal punishment is a better option, per
WP:SYNONYM. —
Coconutporkpie (
talk) 11:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep This is much the same as corporal punishment and there are plenty of sources which use the phrase such as Physical Punishment in Childhood: The Rights of the Child; From Physical Punishment to Positive Discipline; Physical Punishment Across Generations. The page is currently being used as a navigational page to help our readers get to the various types and this seems sensible.
Andrew D. (
talk) 12:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)reply
We are here to decide whether to delete the page. This should not be done because the topic is notable. The details of how to structure the various aspects and names for the topic is a matter of ordinary editing. The title physical punishment seems well-used in the title of substantial sources and so may well be the best title for the topic. But sorting that out is beyond the scope of this discussion because
AFD is not cleanup.
Andrew D. (
talk) 18:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
We are here to decide what to do with a page someone has nominated for deletion. Do you not acknowledge the many possible outcomes of AfD (as listed at
WP:AFD)? Since keep and redirect are both distinct options, by choosing keep you're effectively communicating that this separate article is acceptable. I'm aware that you already know all of this, so maybe it's that you're just making a principled objection or taking a personal stand against the bringing articles to AfD that should've just been redirected to begin with, rather than issuing an evaluation of what the proper fate of the article should be when taking into consideration the various applicable policies and guidelines? I mean, I guess it's not all that big of a deal since the end result in this case is very clear, but it makes the discussion muddled when someone doesn't play by the rules we assume of one another. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 19:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, this separate article is acceptable.
Andrew D. (
talk) 19:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
If the point being made is that "Physical punishment" is the better title, then that would seem to be an argument for renaming
Corporal punishment and deleting or merging the existing
Physical punishment list article.—
Coconutporkpie (
talk) 07:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's an option. What we have here is a rather general concept — punishment of the body rather than more abstract punishments such as fines or loss of status. This covers a wide range of punishments including imprisonment and strange mortal tortures such as
scaphism. But the trouble is that, by the title corporal punishment, you get a focus on flogging and beating, especially of children. The title physical punishment seems to work better as taxonomy and the page in question has a good navigational focus, helping readers to the specific aspect they are looking for.
Andrew D. (
talk) 08:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Corporal punishment, which is exactly the same topic, and which begins "Corporal punishment or physical punishment is...". — Rhododendritestalk \\ 16:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I created that wording in the lead paragraph of
Corporal punishment, because numerous sources make clear that the terms are synonymous. Indeed, the page was a redirect to Corporal punishment at one point, and was then converted to the existing article, as the edit history shows. —
Coconutporkpie (
talk) 06:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Physical punishment is, however, a common term for referring to corporal punishment (judging by the pages that link to it), so maybe a redirect to
Corporal punishment is a better option, per
WP:SYNONYM. —
Coconutporkpie (
talk) 11:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep This is much the same as corporal punishment and there are plenty of sources which use the phrase such as Physical Punishment in Childhood: The Rights of the Child; From Physical Punishment to Positive Discipline; Physical Punishment Across Generations. The page is currently being used as a navigational page to help our readers get to the various types and this seems sensible.
Andrew D. (
talk) 12:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)reply
We are here to decide whether to delete the page. This should not be done because the topic is notable. The details of how to structure the various aspects and names for the topic is a matter of ordinary editing. The title physical punishment seems well-used in the title of substantial sources and so may well be the best title for the topic. But sorting that out is beyond the scope of this discussion because
AFD is not cleanup.
Andrew D. (
talk) 18:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
We are here to decide what to do with a page someone has nominated for deletion. Do you not acknowledge the many possible outcomes of AfD (as listed at
WP:AFD)? Since keep and redirect are both distinct options, by choosing keep you're effectively communicating that this separate article is acceptable. I'm aware that you already know all of this, so maybe it's that you're just making a principled objection or taking a personal stand against the bringing articles to AfD that should've just been redirected to begin with, rather than issuing an evaluation of what the proper fate of the article should be when taking into consideration the various applicable policies and guidelines? I mean, I guess it's not all that big of a deal since the end result in this case is very clear, but it makes the discussion muddled when someone doesn't play by the rules we assume of one another. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 19:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, this separate article is acceptable.
Andrew D. (
talk) 19:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
If the point being made is that "Physical punishment" is the better title, then that would seem to be an argument for renaming
Corporal punishment and deleting or merging the existing
Physical punishment list article.—
Coconutporkpie (
talk) 07:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's an option. What we have here is a rather general concept — punishment of the body rather than more abstract punishments such as fines or loss of status. This covers a wide range of punishments including imprisonment and strange mortal tortures such as
scaphism. But the trouble is that, by the title corporal punishment, you get a focus on flogging and beating, especially of children. The title physical punishment seems to work better as taxonomy and the page in question has a good navigational focus, helping readers to the specific aspect they are looking for.
Andrew D. (
talk) 08:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Corporal punishment, which is exactly the same topic, and which begins "Corporal punishment or physical punishment is...". — Rhododendritestalk \\ 16:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I created that wording in the lead paragraph of
Corporal punishment, because numerous sources make clear that the terms are synonymous. Indeed, the page was a redirect to Corporal punishment at one point, and was then converted to the existing article, as the edit history shows. —
Coconutporkpie (
talk) 06:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.