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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Petro De Smedt
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No evidence found that he is notable. Nothing in GNews, very few libraries hold copies of his work. GBooks has his works but nothing substantial about hjim in other books. He has written a lot, but has received very little attention for it [1]. Fram ( talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Language, and Belgium. Fram ( talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please retain this article.
- Thank you, Fram, for your thoughtful comments on this article. It is a careful translation from the Esperanto Wikipedia, and the subject of the article is well known in Belgium and the Netherlands as well as among Esperantists worldwide. I have added an extract of a published review of one of his works, and I will be able to supply a few more if it will be helpful.
- Kind regards,
Objectivesea (
talk)
12:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am Belgian, and he is not "well-known" here.
Fram (
talk)
12:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, at least among Esperantists he is legendary, and perhaps Wikipedia can facilitate making him better known to others as well. I have now expanded the bibliography of the works he either authored or edited. In answer to the suggestion that few libraries hold copies of his work, I have provided location references at the Esperanto Museum and Collection of Planned Languages in the Austrian National Library (ÖNB) — which has recently acquired, and is currently cataloguing, a substantial donation of books from the Universal Esperanto Association in Rotterdam. I think the article can be still further expanded as well. Kind regards, Objectivesea ( talk) 11:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am Belgian, and he is not "well-known" here.
Fram (
talk)
12:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia isn't here to help spread his legendary status. Being published, even widely published, also does not qualify someone as notable. That Fram is Belgian and has never heard of him isn't really relevant (uh, sorry, Fram), since any cultural group can have obscure subcultures that define the significance of their members in various ways, and WP:IDONTKNOWIT suggests that personal knowledge is not a good measure of [lack of] notability. But what we need is evidence that he has been the subject of OTHER people's writings and publications-- not analysis of his works, not evidence that lots of libraries hold his books, but articles in books and newspapers and magazines and journals (even Esperanto journals) that are about him specifically, that discuss his influence, his significance, his impact. For now, I do not see that here. A loose necktie ( talk) 07:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- My statement was a reply to "the subject of the article is well known in Belgium and the Netherlands as well as among Esperantists worldwide", which (the first part about Belgium and the Netherlands) simply isn't true. He may be well-known in the Esperanto community in Belgium and the Netherlands, but not in general. That's not only an "I don't know him", but is based on the total lack of non-Esperanto sources from these two countries.
Fram (
talk)
08:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- But you know what I mean. A loose necktie ( talk) 09:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- My statement was a reply to "the subject of the article is well known in Belgium and the Netherlands as well as among Esperantists worldwide", which (the first part about Belgium and the Netherlands) simply isn't true. He may be well-known in the Esperanto community in Belgium and the Netherlands, but not in general. That's not only an "I don't know him", but is based on the total lack of non-Esperanto sources from these two countries.
Fram (
talk)
08:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No sources reliable from Belgian websites (I find a funeral card with his name, unsure if it's him), 5 hits in regular Google, he gets one mention in a book, I find a book he wrote. Nothing in JStor, hits on variants of his name in GScholar. I'm afraid he's not notable. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Petro De Smedt
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No evidence found that he is notable. Nothing in GNews, very few libraries hold copies of his work. GBooks has his works but nothing substantial about hjim in other books. He has written a lot, but has received very little attention for it [1]. Fram ( talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Language, and Belgium. Fram ( talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please retain this article.
- Thank you, Fram, for your thoughtful comments on this article. It is a careful translation from the Esperanto Wikipedia, and the subject of the article is well known in Belgium and the Netherlands as well as among Esperantists worldwide. I have added an extract of a published review of one of his works, and I will be able to supply a few more if it will be helpful.
- Kind regards,
Objectivesea (
talk)
12:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am Belgian, and he is not "well-known" here.
Fram (
talk)
12:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, at least among Esperantists he is legendary, and perhaps Wikipedia can facilitate making him better known to others as well. I have now expanded the bibliography of the works he either authored or edited. In answer to the suggestion that few libraries hold copies of his work, I have provided location references at the Esperanto Museum and Collection of Planned Languages in the Austrian National Library (ÖNB) — which has recently acquired, and is currently cataloguing, a substantial donation of books from the Universal Esperanto Association in Rotterdam. I think the article can be still further expanded as well. Kind regards, Objectivesea ( talk) 11:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am Belgian, and he is not "well-known" here.
Fram (
talk)
12:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia isn't here to help spread his legendary status. Being published, even widely published, also does not qualify someone as notable. That Fram is Belgian and has never heard of him isn't really relevant (uh, sorry, Fram), since any cultural group can have obscure subcultures that define the significance of their members in various ways, and WP:IDONTKNOWIT suggests that personal knowledge is not a good measure of [lack of] notability. But what we need is evidence that he has been the subject of OTHER people's writings and publications-- not analysis of his works, not evidence that lots of libraries hold his books, but articles in books and newspapers and magazines and journals (even Esperanto journals) that are about him specifically, that discuss his influence, his significance, his impact. For now, I do not see that here. A loose necktie ( talk) 07:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- My statement was a reply to "the subject of the article is well known in Belgium and the Netherlands as well as among Esperantists worldwide", which (the first part about Belgium and the Netherlands) simply isn't true. He may be well-known in the Esperanto community in Belgium and the Netherlands, but not in general. That's not only an "I don't know him", but is based on the total lack of non-Esperanto sources from these two countries.
Fram (
talk)
08:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- But you know what I mean. A loose necktie ( talk) 09:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- My statement was a reply to "the subject of the article is well known in Belgium and the Netherlands as well as among Esperantists worldwide", which (the first part about Belgium and the Netherlands) simply isn't true. He may be well-known in the Esperanto community in Belgium and the Netherlands, but not in general. That's not only an "I don't know him", but is based on the total lack of non-Esperanto sources from these two countries.
Fram (
talk)
08:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No sources reliable from Belgian websites (I find a funeral card with his name, unsure if it's him), 5 hits in regular Google, he gets one mention in a book, I find a book he wrote. Nothing in JStor, hits on variants of his name in GScholar. I'm afraid he's not notable. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.