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The result was no consensus. The new sources, reliable though they might be, concern construction and funding, not the Temple itself as a building. Yet, I don't see a consensus to Delete this religious building so I'm closing this as No consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Perth Shiva Temple
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Article about a Hindu temple lacking third party sources except for two passing mentions. The subject is potentially notable and someone with better access to Australian sources than me may be able to find some in depth coverage, but if not, delete. Mccapra ( talk) 17:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Hinduism and Australia. Mccapra ( talk) 17:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This article has been subject to promotional editing that fluffs it up and misuses at least one source. It should not have been moved back from draft to mainspace without being examined through AfC. But while rewriting it, I found it is claimed by non-members to be the oldest Hindu temple in the state. The Encyclopedia of Hinduism listing verifies its age, although the writers appear to be trying to avoid saying which Hindu temple in Perth came first. I would love it if someone with good access to Australian newspaper archives found early news coverage of it, but I believe it squeaks by on GNG with that claim of age and the recent references. (Frankly, if I hadn't determined ot clears the notability bar, I would have nominated it for deletion myself after Hemaakshi.Ujjain re-mainspaced it and an IP immediately changed it back to fluff and then reinstated unsourced padding after Onel5969 trimmed it, presumably as a NPPer.) There are questions of systemic bias in our coverage of minority religious institutions, and since the vast majority of Hindus in Australia are relatively recent immigrants and their children, we should not expect broad coverage in the newspapers from the temple's inception. But I would hope there is some. (I'll add another note on the history: Hemaakshi.Ujjain appears to have used an article on a Hindu temple in Sydney as a guide when creating this article, and I believe that's the source of the dates in the early versions that conflict with those on the temple's own website.) Yngvadottir ( talk) 21:53, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or Draftify if there is the injunction on moving it into mainspace without AfC review. Right now it doesn't meet GNG, and a WP:BEFORE did not show enough coverage to pass. Onel5969 TT me 01:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: The article talks about the oldest Hindu temple in Perth, Western Australia. The article also talks about information in depth about the temple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.189.25.28 ( talk) 05:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I've added some material about construction and funding, with RSs. I couldn't find anything in Australian newspaper databases about it being the oldest temple, but I think with the new material it might scrape past GNG. Cabrils ( talk) 22:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. The new sources, reliable though they might be, concern construction and funding, not the Temple itself as a building. Yet, I don't see a consensus to Delete this religious building so I'm closing this as No consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Perth Shiva Temple
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Article about a Hindu temple lacking third party sources except for two passing mentions. The subject is potentially notable and someone with better access to Australian sources than me may be able to find some in depth coverage, but if not, delete. Mccapra ( talk) 17:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Hinduism and Australia. Mccapra ( talk) 17:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This article has been subject to promotional editing that fluffs it up and misuses at least one source. It should not have been moved back from draft to mainspace without being examined through AfC. But while rewriting it, I found it is claimed by non-members to be the oldest Hindu temple in the state. The Encyclopedia of Hinduism listing verifies its age, although the writers appear to be trying to avoid saying which Hindu temple in Perth came first. I would love it if someone with good access to Australian newspaper archives found early news coverage of it, but I believe it squeaks by on GNG with that claim of age and the recent references. (Frankly, if I hadn't determined ot clears the notability bar, I would have nominated it for deletion myself after Hemaakshi.Ujjain re-mainspaced it and an IP immediately changed it back to fluff and then reinstated unsourced padding after Onel5969 trimmed it, presumably as a NPPer.) There are questions of systemic bias in our coverage of minority religious institutions, and since the vast majority of Hindus in Australia are relatively recent immigrants and their children, we should not expect broad coverage in the newspapers from the temple's inception. But I would hope there is some. (I'll add another note on the history: Hemaakshi.Ujjain appears to have used an article on a Hindu temple in Sydney as a guide when creating this article, and I believe that's the source of the dates in the early versions that conflict with those on the temple's own website.) Yngvadottir ( talk) 21:53, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or Draftify if there is the injunction on moving it into mainspace without AfC review. Right now it doesn't meet GNG, and a WP:BEFORE did not show enough coverage to pass. Onel5969 TT me 01:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: The article talks about the oldest Hindu temple in Perth, Western Australia. The article also talks about information in depth about the temple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.189.25.28 ( talk) 05:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I've added some material about construction and funding, with RSs. I couldn't find anything in Australian newspaper databases about it being the oldest temple, but I think with the new material it might scrape past GNG. Cabrils ( talk) 22:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.