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The result was speedy keep — withdrawn. Nominating rationale and other concerns no longer apply after recent changes. (non-admin closure) — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 04:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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This is a contested draftification. No claim to notability per WP:NALBUM. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 03:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Music, and United States of America. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 03:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Deleteas nominator. Searches of all the usual databases turned up nothing that would merit keeping. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 03:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)(striking duplicate vote, your deletion nomination is your Delete vote Liz Read! Talk! 03:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC))- Draftify - Does not satisfy
musical notability. The only reference is Allmusic, which is not a
secondary source. Draftification will give the originator six months to find real sources if they exist.
Robert McClenon (
talk)
04:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: The article was previously draftified. The creator moved it back to the main space within two hours without making changes to improve the article's quality. Significa liberdade ( talk) 13:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:NMUSIC Not all albums are notable. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:NALBUM#C1.
- —
siro
χ
o
08:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think I saw this source when I was searching as well, and would not call this significant coverage. Reading into it in more detail now, there's only one paragraph about the album, and it's used more as a comparison against the work of Harry Nilsson, who's the main focus of the chapter. I don't think this is enough to meet NALBUM. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 13:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GNG with the following significant coverage:
- Courrier, Kevin (2005).
Randy Newman's American Dreams.
Nilsson Sings Newman may have been partly inspired by Rick Nelson's concept approach to Randy Newman on his Perspective album in 1968 (where he also covered songs by Nilsson). In the age of psychedelic rock, Nelson was perceived as an anachronism. A superior rockabilly performer, Nelson nevertheless didn't see himself merely as a washed-up oldies act, so with Perspective, he consciously began deconstructing his rockabilly image. Produced by John Boylen and featuring arrangements by Jimmy Haskell, the record contains a wide breadth of what were then contemporary songs. Besides Newman and Nilsson, Nelson covered tunes by Paul Simon ("For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her") and Richie Havens ("Three Day Eternity"). He also does a lovely rendition of "I Think It's Going to Rain Today" and creates an ambitious medley out of Newman's previously unreleased "Wait Till Next Year," "Love Story" and "So Long Dad/ Love Story (reprise)." Nelson's idea for Perspective was to tell a story about a famous family by connecting a series of songs. In many ways, the record was shaped by Nelson's own memories of his show-biz clan, depicted on TV's The Ozzie and Harriet Show, which painted a serene picture of old-fashioned fifties suburban life. As if emulating Brian Wilson, Nelson incorporated a playful mix of sound effects, which included splashing in the bathtub, cars driving and phones ringing, giving the record the flavor of a radio drama.
- Selvin, Joel (1990).
Ricky Nelson : idol for a generation.
She not only supplied one of her childlike paintings of a recording studio scene for the back cover of his next album, Perspective, but added a breathy French recitation to a song Rick and Boylan wrote called "Hello to the Wind (Bonjour le Vent)." Boylan returned to California, where he was producing folk-rockers the Dillards and the sleek pop group the Association, who was doing the soundtrack to the movie Goodbye, Columbus. Boylan hunted up a bunch of songs by a relatively unknown songwriter named Randy Newman, along with numbers by the likes of Paul Simon, Harry Nilsson, Richie Havens, and a couple of his own, went into the studio with a typical cast of Hollywood sidemen and arrangers, and recorded Perspective, Rick's only 1968 recording, not released until almost a year later. Rick knew what the album sounded like. "I was lost," he said. "For a while I said 'OK, you get me a song and a producer and I'll do it your way.' For a while, the producer was more important than the artist, which is kind of an unhealthy situation because the production should really enhance the artist. But with me, I was getting buried in it. Beautiful string sections, beautiful arrangements, but I sounded like I was that big," he said, closing his thumb and forefinger into a tiny gap. Neither of the two Boylan albums proved particularly successful in the marketplace, and Rick grew to hate the overproduced records.
- Homer, Sheree (2012).
Rick Nelson, rock 'n' roll pioneer.
In 1968, Boylan produced one more Nelson album, Perspective. Besides production, he wrote three songs: "Stop by My Window," "The Lady Stayed with Me," and co-wrote with Nelson "Hello to the Wind (Bonjour Le Vent)." Nelson later admitted, "Perspective with those songs was a complete experiment and those Steve Miller type sound effects between tracks were my idea.... I'm not sorry I did those things because, if anything, it made up my mind as to the way I wanted to go." He went back to the basics: "I just simplified the whole thing and went back to the formula of drums, bass, and guitar. That's where I'd always been most effective."
- These sources provide significant critical commentary and historical context. In combination with the Allmusic review this meets the GNG standard.
Jfire (
talk)
05:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that research, Jfire! I think now that the subject has been shown to pass notability standards it would be better to draftify per the outcomes at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country Fever and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bright Lights and Country Music (Rick Nelson album), which are by the same page creator. —
TechnoSquirrel69 (
sigh)
14:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- No need to draftify. I've expanded the article using these sources.
Jfire (
talk)
03:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks so much for your work on that! Since I believe all the concerns I and other editors have mentioned should be fixed now, I'm willing to withdraw. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 04:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- No need to draftify. I've expanded the article using these sources.
Jfire (
talk)
03:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that research, Jfire! I think now that the subject has been shown to pass notability standards it would be better to draftify per the outcomes at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country Fever and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bright Lights and Country Music (Rick Nelson album), which are by the same page creator. —
TechnoSquirrel69 (
sigh)
14:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Courrier, Kevin (2005).
Randy Newman's American Dreams.
- Keep: with the new sources cited above, it's a keep. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep — withdrawn. Nominating rationale and other concerns no longer apply after recent changes. (non-admin closure) — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 04:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Perspective (Rick Nelson album) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This is a contested draftification. No claim to notability per WP:NALBUM. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 03:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Music, and United States of America. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 03:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Deleteas nominator. Searches of all the usual databases turned up nothing that would merit keeping. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 03:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)(striking duplicate vote, your deletion nomination is your Delete vote Liz Read! Talk! 03:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC))- Draftify - Does not satisfy
musical notability. The only reference is Allmusic, which is not a
secondary source. Draftification will give the originator six months to find real sources if they exist.
Robert McClenon (
talk)
04:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: The article was previously draftified. The creator moved it back to the main space within two hours without making changes to improve the article's quality. Significa liberdade ( talk) 13:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:NMUSIC Not all albums are notable. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:NALBUM#C1.
- —
siro
χ
o
08:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think I saw this source when I was searching as well, and would not call this significant coverage. Reading into it in more detail now, there's only one paragraph about the album, and it's used more as a comparison against the work of Harry Nilsson, who's the main focus of the chapter. I don't think this is enough to meet NALBUM. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 13:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GNG with the following significant coverage:
- Courrier, Kevin (2005).
Randy Newman's American Dreams.
Nilsson Sings Newman may have been partly inspired by Rick Nelson's concept approach to Randy Newman on his Perspective album in 1968 (where he also covered songs by Nilsson). In the age of psychedelic rock, Nelson was perceived as an anachronism. A superior rockabilly performer, Nelson nevertheless didn't see himself merely as a washed-up oldies act, so with Perspective, he consciously began deconstructing his rockabilly image. Produced by John Boylen and featuring arrangements by Jimmy Haskell, the record contains a wide breadth of what were then contemporary songs. Besides Newman and Nilsson, Nelson covered tunes by Paul Simon ("For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her") and Richie Havens ("Three Day Eternity"). He also does a lovely rendition of "I Think It's Going to Rain Today" and creates an ambitious medley out of Newman's previously unreleased "Wait Till Next Year," "Love Story" and "So Long Dad/ Love Story (reprise)." Nelson's idea for Perspective was to tell a story about a famous family by connecting a series of songs. In many ways, the record was shaped by Nelson's own memories of his show-biz clan, depicted on TV's The Ozzie and Harriet Show, which painted a serene picture of old-fashioned fifties suburban life. As if emulating Brian Wilson, Nelson incorporated a playful mix of sound effects, which included splashing in the bathtub, cars driving and phones ringing, giving the record the flavor of a radio drama.
- Selvin, Joel (1990).
Ricky Nelson : idol for a generation.
She not only supplied one of her childlike paintings of a recording studio scene for the back cover of his next album, Perspective, but added a breathy French recitation to a song Rick and Boylan wrote called "Hello to the Wind (Bonjour le Vent)." Boylan returned to California, where he was producing folk-rockers the Dillards and the sleek pop group the Association, who was doing the soundtrack to the movie Goodbye, Columbus. Boylan hunted up a bunch of songs by a relatively unknown songwriter named Randy Newman, along with numbers by the likes of Paul Simon, Harry Nilsson, Richie Havens, and a couple of his own, went into the studio with a typical cast of Hollywood sidemen and arrangers, and recorded Perspective, Rick's only 1968 recording, not released until almost a year later. Rick knew what the album sounded like. "I was lost," he said. "For a while I said 'OK, you get me a song and a producer and I'll do it your way.' For a while, the producer was more important than the artist, which is kind of an unhealthy situation because the production should really enhance the artist. But with me, I was getting buried in it. Beautiful string sections, beautiful arrangements, but I sounded like I was that big," he said, closing his thumb and forefinger into a tiny gap. Neither of the two Boylan albums proved particularly successful in the marketplace, and Rick grew to hate the overproduced records.
- Homer, Sheree (2012).
Rick Nelson, rock 'n' roll pioneer.
In 1968, Boylan produced one more Nelson album, Perspective. Besides production, he wrote three songs: "Stop by My Window," "The Lady Stayed with Me," and co-wrote with Nelson "Hello to the Wind (Bonjour Le Vent)." Nelson later admitted, "Perspective with those songs was a complete experiment and those Steve Miller type sound effects between tracks were my idea.... I'm not sorry I did those things because, if anything, it made up my mind as to the way I wanted to go." He went back to the basics: "I just simplified the whole thing and went back to the formula of drums, bass, and guitar. That's where I'd always been most effective."
- These sources provide significant critical commentary and historical context. In combination with the Allmusic review this meets the GNG standard.
Jfire (
talk)
05:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that research, Jfire! I think now that the subject has been shown to pass notability standards it would be better to draftify per the outcomes at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country Fever and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bright Lights and Country Music (Rick Nelson album), which are by the same page creator. —
TechnoSquirrel69 (
sigh)
14:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- No need to draftify. I've expanded the article using these sources.
Jfire (
talk)
03:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks so much for your work on that! Since I believe all the concerns I and other editors have mentioned should be fixed now, I'm willing to withdraw. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 04:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- No need to draftify. I've expanded the article using these sources.
Jfire (
talk)
03:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that research, Jfire! I think now that the subject has been shown to pass notability standards it would be better to draftify per the outcomes at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country Fever and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bright Lights and Country Music (Rick Nelson album), which are by the same page creator. —
TechnoSquirrel69 (
sigh)
14:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Courrier, Kevin (2005).
Randy Newman's American Dreams.
- Keep: with the new sources cited above, it's a keep. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.