The result was delete. In many ways, this is a model AFD, with the participants giving a thoughtful consideration of the merits of the topic and the article. In answer to 208.81.184.4, IPs get to participate and "vote" (except that we are not really supposed to be voting in AFDs at all), and thoughtful comments such as what you provided are always considered.
After considering the opinions here, the situation is that the subject may be notable, but that the article currently relies far too much on quotations from religious text, and with a lack of sources based on independent commentary. In general, we do not delete articles on notable subjects just because the article is in poor condition, as these types of problems may be fixed through routine editing. However, the issue of lack of independent sourcing that Descartes1979 brought up, and the concerns over original research that Good Ol'factory had are issues that an article can be deleted over. Peterkingiron and 208.81.184.4 think there is potential for an article, but have agreed that the article as it stands now has issues. DavidLeighEllis argued that the subject is notable, but did not address the issues with the article as it stands now.
In total, I believe that while there is no general agreement on whether the topic is suitable, we do have a rough consensus that the current article should not stay, and I am therefore calling this with a "delete" outcome. This should not be viewed as a prohibition on an new article on the topic that addresses the issues that were brought up here. If someone wants access to the deleted content, feel free to contact me or any other administrator. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC) reply
This article is an incredibly obscure topic in Mormon doctrine, about the interplay between faith, works, and grace etc. There is no independent research/commentary on the topic of any substance, so the article is doomed to always be heavily POV. The result is this article has been for the last several years mostly ignored by non-Mormon editors, and has turned into something that resembles a sunday school lesson in the Mormon church. I propose we delete this page altogether, and add a couple of sentences (all that is needed) to Beliefs and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to summarize the concepts. (This is actually already covered somewhat in that other article). Descartes1979 ( talk) 05:48, 6 July 2013 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. In many ways, this is a model AFD, with the participants giving a thoughtful consideration of the merits of the topic and the article. In answer to 208.81.184.4, IPs get to participate and "vote" (except that we are not really supposed to be voting in AFDs at all), and thoughtful comments such as what you provided are always considered.
After considering the opinions here, the situation is that the subject may be notable, but that the article currently relies far too much on quotations from religious text, and with a lack of sources based on independent commentary. In general, we do not delete articles on notable subjects just because the article is in poor condition, as these types of problems may be fixed through routine editing. However, the issue of lack of independent sourcing that Descartes1979 brought up, and the concerns over original research that Good Ol'factory had are issues that an article can be deleted over. Peterkingiron and 208.81.184.4 think there is potential for an article, but have agreed that the article as it stands now has issues. DavidLeighEllis argued that the subject is notable, but did not address the issues with the article as it stands now.
In total, I believe that while there is no general agreement on whether the topic is suitable, we do have a rough consensus that the current article should not stay, and I am therefore calling this with a "delete" outcome. This should not be viewed as a prohibition on an new article on the topic that addresses the issues that were brought up here. If someone wants access to the deleted content, feel free to contact me or any other administrator. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC) reply
This article is an incredibly obscure topic in Mormon doctrine, about the interplay between faith, works, and grace etc. There is no independent research/commentary on the topic of any substance, so the article is doomed to always be heavily POV. The result is this article has been for the last several years mostly ignored by non-Mormon editors, and has turned into something that resembles a sunday school lesson in the Mormon church. I propose we delete this page altogether, and add a couple of sentences (all that is needed) to Beliefs and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to summarize the concepts. (This is actually already covered somewhat in that other article). Descartes1979 ( talk) 05:48, 6 July 2013 (UTC) reply