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The result was merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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Does not appear to meet notability criteria: WP:GEOFEAT applies to buildings on national historical heritage lists, this has been nominated to be on a state list, which means WP:NBUILDING applies and WP:SIGCOV is required. I do not believe the application for state heritage listing plus brief mentions in a coffee table book and in a local newsletter meet the standard for significant coverage in independent sources. Melcous ( talk) 03:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge salient details >> List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea Djflem ( talk) 06:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Carmel-by-the-Sea is a peculiar place that do not have street addresses. So buildings are given fancy pants names to be used in lieu of addresses. So, having names is not an indication of notability in that particular Township. See https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/carmel-no-addresses-1.7091347 Graywalls ( talk) 09:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Satisfies the WP:NBUILDING and WP:GNG guidelines as a result of its historic, social, economic, or architectural importance using reliable secondary and primary sources.
- The property is significant under the California Register of Historical Resources registration criterion 3, in the area of architecture as an example of the Spanish Colonial Revival architecture-style and work of master builder Percy Parkes.
- This building is part of a block of commercial buildings on Dolores Street between Ocean Avenue and 7th Avenue that demonstrate Carmel's historic commercial development in the 1920s
- The Percy Parkes Building is an important commercial building in the Carmel-by-the-Sea's Downtown Conservation District Historic Property Survey, and was nominated and submitted to the National Register of Historic Places on April 25, 2002.
- Clicking on this link for Percy Parkes Building, will bring up the historical study that was done for the building. Long and rather extensive.
Greg Henderson ( talk) 16:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. This is one of over 100 buildings in the city's Downtown Conservation District that are collectively listed on the California Register of Historical Resources. Being just one building in a historic downtown or historic block does not show to me that it needs a standalone article. Being nominated – as part of a 100+ property district – to the National Register of Historic Places is entirely irrelevant when the district was not actually listed on the register. Reywas92 Talk 01:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. The historical listing is via a large collective of buildings and not for this individual building. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 15:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge - Does not pass WP:GEOFEAT, nor WP:NBUILDING. I'm not finding any serious coverage of this building by independent architectural historians. The two book sources, both by Alissandra Dramov, a town council woman for Carmel-by-the-Sea; seem more for tourists. I think the comments by Reywas92, GPL93, Djflem and Melcous are accurate. This building is not on the NRHP, it was simply listed on a local registry and simply nominated along with over 100 other buildings. To have individual articles on all of those 100+ buildings seems like WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTTRAVELGUIDE. An alternative to deletion is to merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Netherzone ( talk) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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Does not appear to meet notability criteria: WP:GEOFEAT applies to buildings on national historical heritage lists, this has been nominated to be on a state list, which means WP:NBUILDING applies and WP:SIGCOV is required. I do not believe the application for state heritage listing plus brief mentions in a coffee table book and in a local newsletter meet the standard for significant coverage in independent sources. Melcous ( talk) 03:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge salient details >> List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea Djflem ( talk) 06:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Carmel-by-the-Sea is a peculiar place that do not have street addresses. So buildings are given fancy pants names to be used in lieu of addresses. So, having names is not an indication of notability in that particular Township. See https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/carmel-no-addresses-1.7091347 Graywalls ( talk) 09:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Satisfies the WP:NBUILDING and WP:GNG guidelines as a result of its historic, social, economic, or architectural importance using reliable secondary and primary sources.
- The property is significant under the California Register of Historical Resources registration criterion 3, in the area of architecture as an example of the Spanish Colonial Revival architecture-style and work of master builder Percy Parkes.
- This building is part of a block of commercial buildings on Dolores Street between Ocean Avenue and 7th Avenue that demonstrate Carmel's historic commercial development in the 1920s
- The Percy Parkes Building is an important commercial building in the Carmel-by-the-Sea's Downtown Conservation District Historic Property Survey, and was nominated and submitted to the National Register of Historic Places on April 25, 2002.
- Clicking on this link for Percy Parkes Building, will bring up the historical study that was done for the building. Long and rather extensive.
Greg Henderson ( talk) 16:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. This is one of over 100 buildings in the city's Downtown Conservation District that are collectively listed on the California Register of Historical Resources. Being just one building in a historic downtown or historic block does not show to me that it needs a standalone article. Being nominated – as part of a 100+ property district – to the National Register of Historic Places is entirely irrelevant when the district was not actually listed on the register. Reywas92 Talk 01:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. The historical listing is via a large collective of buildings and not for this individual building. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 15:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge - Does not pass WP:GEOFEAT, nor WP:NBUILDING. I'm not finding any serious coverage of this building by independent architectural historians. The two book sources, both by Alissandra Dramov, a town council woman for Carmel-by-the-Sea; seem more for tourists. I think the comments by Reywas92, GPL93, Djflem and Melcous are accurate. This building is not on the NRHP, it was simply listed on a local registry and simply nominated along with over 100 other buildings. To have individual articles on all of those 100+ buildings seems like WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTTRAVELGUIDE. An alternative to deletion is to merge to List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Netherzone ( talk) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.