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The result was delete‎. Daniel ( talk) 02:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Penn State–Temple football rivalry

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Subject does not meet WP:NRIVALRY. Previous AfD closed as delete but the sourcing is not enough to meet the notability thresholds. Let'srun ( talk) 01:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, and Pennsylvania. Let'srun ( talk) 01:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete Not a real rivalry, they're just both public schools in the same state so there may be some comment on it. But when they don't play each other regularly and the series is entirely non-competitive, with one being in a second-tier conference, it's not something notable needing an article. Reywas92 ^Talk 04:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Comment A lack of competitiveness or one team belonging to a Group of 5 conference does not mean it is not a rivalry. The sources say it is a rivalry. Pennsylvania2 ( talk) 17:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Okay, so some in the media have called a rivalry because that's a fun word that gins up interest, but that doesn't mean we need an article that compiles results. A pair of schools is more likely to be called that if they are geographically close and play often, but that can apply to countless combinations of teams and it doesn't mean we have to have an article on it. Games being on the schedule another three years out doesn't change that. Reywas92 ^Talk 02:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Keep 18 sources describe the series as a rivalry. The lopsided aspect of the rivalry actually adds a notability aspect to the rivalry as per the sources. The series was renewed in 2018 with games planned for 2026 and 2027 and sources described it as a rivalry. Pennsylvania2 ( talk) 17:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep The sources seem to indiciate notability. glman ( talk) 00:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Glman: Which of the sources seem to indicate notability? I have an open mind, but I'm not seeing SIGCOV (i.e., in-depth coverage) of a rivalry in multiple, WP:INDEPENDENT sources. Cbl62 ( talk) 11:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Cbl62 - Both the Temple News and the PSU Collegian say they are independent of their universities on their sites. For the Collegian it says The Daily Collegian, The Weekly Collegian and The Daily Collegian Online are published by Collegian Inc., an independent, non-profit corporation with a board of directors composed of students, faculty and professionals. and for Temple News it says The award-winning student publication, editorially independent of Temple, now publishes every Tuesday.. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

That's not how it works. These are student newspapers written and published by active and enrolled students of the two universities and not by professional journalists. Under long-established precedent, student newspapers are not WP:INDEPENDENT and don't count toward GNG. If the "rivalry" were truly notable we'd be seeing SIGCOV written by persons other than students. @ WhatamIdoing: @ JoelleJay: Do I have that right? 23:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Passing mentions of a "rivalry" are not enough. We lack depth of coverage of this as a true, notable rivalry in reliable and independent sources (i.e., not Onward State or Daily Collegian as Wikipedia regards student newspapers aa not WP:INDEPENDENT). I also agree with User:Reywas92 that the lack of competitiveness (Penn State has dominated throughout the series history, winning 40 of 45 games) is a factor to be considered in evaluating whether this is a true rivalry. If someone can present actual SIGCOV of a rivalry in multiple independent, reliable sources, I'll reconsider. Cbl62 ( talk) 01:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Weak delete - while one-sidedness certainly CAN exist in a rivalry, the sources in the article are either non-independent or passing mentions in routine coverage, therefore failing GNG. Frank Anchor 14:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete Somewhat on the fence but does not seem to have significant coverage and/or routine coverage as a rivalry when they play each other thus failing GNG. Grahaml35 ( talk) 19:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.