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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 09:18, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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Completely uncited. Various users over the years have been indiscriminately adding seemingly their own hometowns that begin with P. I deleted all the ones in the US other than Provincetown, but, c'mon, Paris? Nobody has ever called it that. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep
...probably?Disambiguation pages never have citations per se. For a page like this, the criterion for whether an entry should be included is whether the topic name is referred to in the target article. (The article should then presumably have a citation supporting that.)
- The appropriate first step here, then, would be to delete any entry that doesn't meet that criterion. If that collapses down to a couple of entries, then that's still a keep. If it's one entry, then change the page to a redirect. If it's zero entries, then delete.--
NapoliRoma (
talk)
16:52, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Not a bad rubric, I didn't go back to check on the other US ones I deleted, but unsurprisingly all the others failed this test except for Provincetown. So this will likely distill to a redirect if that's the only verified (and obviously most logical) instance. JesseRafe ( talk) 18:04, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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Portland, Oregon has some pull quotes that are cited, but I would argue that these are not truly verified nicknames, just what one person quoted in an article might have said.
Petaluma, California and
Pomona, California have it on their pages, but uncited. The latter with a CN up for 40 months, the former with nothing. If the two California ones are not reliably sourced, I'd move for a redirect to Provincetown with at most a hatnote that P-Town redirects there and a "for Portland" link.
JesseRafe (
talk)
18:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- I would also consider adding Pleasanton, California back. The nickname used to be noted within its article, but I hadn't noticed it had been pulled a couple of years, but is cite-able. (Where I live, in case you hadn't guessed... :-) ).
- Provincetown clearly has the strongest claim, but even though the ones we've mentioned here are not as well known, I think some or all of them still have enough of a claim to retain the dab page.-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 22:37, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep disambiguation pages are not of encyclopedic content; they are navigation aids and do not need citations. If this were being presented as a list (close call here), we would expect citations; but deletion for lack of citations is not a remedy that is available (see WP:DELETE, where #6 comes closest: "Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources"). Given no end of reliable sources showing P-town in relation to Provincetown, MA; no rational editor could invoke #6. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 22:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, and most or probably all of the deleted U.S. ones should be added back. As a disambiguation page, this is supposed to help readers get to where they want, and if Pleasanton has ever been referred to as "P-town" ever then it is a help to suggest that it might be what the reader is looking for. Provincetown is properly identified as being the most commonly intended. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:30, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- P.S. One could argue that Provincetown is the wp:PRIMARYUSAGE and consequently that P-town should redirect to there, with this dab page moved to P-town (disambiguation). But that hasn't been argued, has it? And I think that is still consistent with "Keep" for this AFD. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I assume some of the non-Provincetown entries are legitimate, though Google search gives me no help to prove that. If none of them are, this should redirect to Provincetown, Massachusetts. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 05:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, there are a number of articles that satisfy WP:DABMENTION. I've removed the long arbitrary list of places that happen to start with a "P" where the linked articles make no mention whatsoever of the ambiguous term. older ≠ wiser 18:10, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 09:18, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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Completely uncited. Various users over the years have been indiscriminately adding seemingly their own hometowns that begin with P. I deleted all the ones in the US other than Provincetown, but, c'mon, Paris? Nobody has ever called it that. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep
...probably?Disambiguation pages never have citations per se. For a page like this, the criterion for whether an entry should be included is whether the topic name is referred to in the target article. (The article should then presumably have a citation supporting that.)
- The appropriate first step here, then, would be to delete any entry that doesn't meet that criterion. If that collapses down to a couple of entries, then that's still a keep. If it's one entry, then change the page to a redirect. If it's zero entries, then delete.--
NapoliRoma (
talk)
16:52, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Not a bad rubric, I didn't go back to check on the other US ones I deleted, but unsurprisingly all the others failed this test except for Provincetown. So this will likely distill to a redirect if that's the only verified (and obviously most logical) instance. JesseRafe ( talk) 18:04, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
-
Portland, Oregon has some pull quotes that are cited, but I would argue that these are not truly verified nicknames, just what one person quoted in an article might have said.
Petaluma, California and
Pomona, California have it on their pages, but uncited. The latter with a CN up for 40 months, the former with nothing. If the two California ones are not reliably sourced, I'd move for a redirect to Provincetown with at most a hatnote that P-Town redirects there and a "for Portland" link.
JesseRafe (
talk)
18:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- I would also consider adding Pleasanton, California back. The nickname used to be noted within its article, but I hadn't noticed it had been pulled a couple of years, but is cite-able. (Where I live, in case you hadn't guessed... :-) ).
- Provincetown clearly has the strongest claim, but even though the ones we've mentioned here are not as well known, I think some or all of them still have enough of a claim to retain the dab page.-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 22:37, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep disambiguation pages are not of encyclopedic content; they are navigation aids and do not need citations. If this were being presented as a list (close call here), we would expect citations; but deletion for lack of citations is not a remedy that is available (see WP:DELETE, where #6 comes closest: "Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources"). Given no end of reliable sources showing P-town in relation to Provincetown, MA; no rational editor could invoke #6. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 22:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, and most or probably all of the deleted U.S. ones should be added back. As a disambiguation page, this is supposed to help readers get to where they want, and if Pleasanton has ever been referred to as "P-town" ever then it is a help to suggest that it might be what the reader is looking for. Provincetown is properly identified as being the most commonly intended. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:30, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- P.S. One could argue that Provincetown is the wp:PRIMARYUSAGE and consequently that P-town should redirect to there, with this dab page moved to P-town (disambiguation). But that hasn't been argued, has it? And I think that is still consistent with "Keep" for this AFD. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I assume some of the non-Provincetown entries are legitimate, though Google search gives me no help to prove that. If none of them are, this should redirect to Provincetown, Massachusetts. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 05:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, there are a number of articles that satisfy WP:DABMENTION. I've removed the long arbitrary list of places that happen to start with a "P" where the linked articles make no mention whatsoever of the ambiguous term. older ≠ wiser 18:10, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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