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No evidence that he meets
WP:BIO. I couldn't find any Google News results about him, and general Google hits are restricted to databases or primary sources.
WP:NSPORTS was changed yesterday to include medalists at the wheelchair curling world championships
[1], but this addition was only based on a local consensus of the curling project, and not checked at the general nsports discussion page. It seems that it can't be automatically assumed that medalists are notable for that reason alone (many are already notable as e.g. medalists at the Paralympics).
Fram (
talk)
07:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete - The change to
WP:NSPORTS has been reverted, so the subject needs to pass
WP:GNG. My searches do not turn up any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. If such coverage is presented, I remain open to reconsidering.
Cbl62 (
talk)
12:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Indeed. It probably (though not abxolutely certain) is the same person, but this is a very local news story about a political candidate for a town council, and as such is not indicating any notability.
Fram (
talk)
06:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
I didn't say he meets
WP:NPOL, nobody says that. We should discuss he meets WP:GNG. The sum of everything. Being a local politician with many secondary sources coverage, being a wheelchair curler winning a main medal. And local news is enough for meeting WP:GNG.
SportsOlympic (
talk)
08:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Actually, local news is normally not considered towards notability. E.g. for companies, we have
WP:LOCALCOVERAGE. For politicians, only "major" local politicians are supposed to be notable, a councillor in a small village is not in that category. Oh, and where are the "many secondary sources" you claim? So far, you have provided one about his political career, and none about his curling career.
Fram (
talk)
08:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
For politicians? No. He hasn't received any attention, local or not, for his sports career. And above, you provided one secondary source, the other, the "short story about him", is not an independent source but a publication from the "inhabitants council" from his village where he is voted their representative in the finance council, and contains a very brief bio of him; while this verifies information, it doesn't count towards notability at all.
Fram (
talk)
09:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Again please show this guideline for "local news is normally not considered towards notability"? Also I would like to see were in GNG guideline is stated that a secondary source should have information, in this case, about curling.
SportsOlympic (
talk)
09:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
We have no "notability" sources about his curling so far, all we have are sources (or to be more precise, a source) about his political career. The coverage for his political career, as has been said, doesn't meet the requirements of
WP:NPOL for local politicians. Where a specific guideline is more strict than the rather loose GNG, the requirements of that specific guideline take precedence (or, if you prefer, subjects are supposed to meet both the GNG and the specific guideline). Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense to have guidelines which are more strict than the GNG at all of course. If he would meet the GNG for efforts unrelated to his political career, then of course "but he doesn't meet NPOL" is not a good argument. But in this case, as the source is about the politician, not about the curler, "he doesn't meet NPOL" is a perfectly valid argument, and it is up to the people wanting to keep this to provide sources that show that he does meet NPOL, or sources about something else (like his curling) which may give him notability.
Fram (
talk)
10:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
No evidence that he meets
WP:BIO. I couldn't find any Google News results about him, and general Google hits are restricted to databases or primary sources.
WP:NSPORTS was changed yesterday to include medalists at the wheelchair curling world championships
[1], but this addition was only based on a local consensus of the curling project, and not checked at the general nsports discussion page. It seems that it can't be automatically assumed that medalists are notable for that reason alone (many are already notable as e.g. medalists at the Paralympics).
Fram (
talk)
07:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete - The change to
WP:NSPORTS has been reverted, so the subject needs to pass
WP:GNG. My searches do not turn up any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. If such coverage is presented, I remain open to reconsidering.
Cbl62 (
talk)
12:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Indeed. It probably (though not abxolutely certain) is the same person, but this is a very local news story about a political candidate for a town council, and as such is not indicating any notability.
Fram (
talk)
06:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
I didn't say he meets
WP:NPOL, nobody says that. We should discuss he meets WP:GNG. The sum of everything. Being a local politician with many secondary sources coverage, being a wheelchair curler winning a main medal. And local news is enough for meeting WP:GNG.
SportsOlympic (
talk)
08:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Actually, local news is normally not considered towards notability. E.g. for companies, we have
WP:LOCALCOVERAGE. For politicians, only "major" local politicians are supposed to be notable, a councillor in a small village is not in that category. Oh, and where are the "many secondary sources" you claim? So far, you have provided one about his political career, and none about his curling career.
Fram (
talk)
08:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
For politicians? No. He hasn't received any attention, local or not, for his sports career. And above, you provided one secondary source, the other, the "short story about him", is not an independent source but a publication from the "inhabitants council" from his village where he is voted their representative in the finance council, and contains a very brief bio of him; while this verifies information, it doesn't count towards notability at all.
Fram (
talk)
09:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Again please show this guideline for "local news is normally not considered towards notability"? Also I would like to see were in GNG guideline is stated that a secondary source should have information, in this case, about curling.
SportsOlympic (
talk)
09:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
We have no "notability" sources about his curling so far, all we have are sources (or to be more precise, a source) about his political career. The coverage for his political career, as has been said, doesn't meet the requirements of
WP:NPOL for local politicians. Where a specific guideline is more strict than the rather loose GNG, the requirements of that specific guideline take precedence (or, if you prefer, subjects are supposed to meet both the GNG and the specific guideline). Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense to have guidelines which are more strict than the GNG at all of course. If he would meet the GNG for efforts unrelated to his political career, then of course "but he doesn't meet NPOL" is not a good argument. But in this case, as the source is about the politician, not about the curler, "he doesn't meet NPOL" is a perfectly valid argument, and it is up to the people wanting to keep this to provide sources that show that he does meet NPOL, or sources about something else (like his curling) which may give him notability.
Fram (
talk)
10:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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