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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 10:53, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Onyx Moonshine
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Non notable locally-distributed product with almost entirely local references (except for ref 6, which is Bloomberg) . The paid contributor notice on the article talk page said that the company making the whisky paid for the article to be written, so at least the intent was promotional. DGG ( talk ) 03:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - "The official spirit of the 2012 grammy awards" is a sufficient notability claim for me. I do see that there were possible advertising concerns at first, but it appears that other editors have stepped in and corrected the matter. Fieari ( talk) 03:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as apparently a somewhat newly started alcoholic item, the information and sources are only expected and nothing else outstanding. Delete at best for now until better is available. SwisterTwister talk 03:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note that additional sources have been presented below in this discussion. North America 1000 22:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 03:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep - The company was written about in April Time Magazine [1], NBC [2], as well as other publications in relation to a marketing event where a bottle of liquor was to be launched into space via a weather balloon. Previously, in 2012, there was a full length article in the New York Times [3] about the company. This reference was previously included in the article. I wrote the original article and was a paid contributor Fbell74 ( talk) 06:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. DGG makes an important point with "the intent was promotional": this was created by a paid editor in order to publicise the company and/or product. It is thus an advertisement, and Wikipedia does not allow advertisements, of any kind, anywhere. That I've subsequently hacked at it to make it look a little more like an encyclopaedic article doesn't change that. Paid editing of articles is very strongly discouraged; in practice, about the only form of discouragement we have is to undo or delete those unwelcome edits. Delete this, without prejudice to re-creation of a real Wikipedia article by a non-involved editor if the stuff turns out to be notable (which, personally, I doubt it will). Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 08:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Of note is that the article is presently written in an entirely neutral point of view, with no promotionalism present. North America 1000 22:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The intent may have initially been promotional (and, formatting wise, not very well done, no offense to Fbell74), but the revision as of this message seems acceptable enough and serves to adequately describe a somewhat popular (and therefore notable) beverage in a neutral manner. There are articles with a far more obscure nature than a bottle of booze used by the Grammys. TangoFett ( talk) 09:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Passing mentions of promotional activities, and a minor write-up in the NYT--no, that's not notability by our standards. Drmies ( talk) 01:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Check out WP:NEXIST; notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. North America 1000 22:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
*Delete. Primarily local coverage, plus the one NYT article mentioned by Drmies. In 2015,
one of the founders wrote a book about the experience. Still insufficient
reliable sources to support
WP:GNG or
WP:ORG. It's just a bit
WP:TOOSOON.
Geoff |
Who, me? 20:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- comment - I might vote weak keep, but I can't access the CT Public Radio site, I'm not sure how much depth the content provides. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 16:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 23:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 23:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep – The topic passes WP:GNG. The article does not have a promotional tone at this time. Also of note is that brand topics do not need to have received coverage in regional, statewide or national news sources, although this topic has indeed received such coverage (e.g. Time, Connecticut Public Radio), because WP:AUD only pertains to companies, per being on the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) page. Information on the page about products is located at WP:PRODUCT. Source examples include, but are not limited to those listed below. North America 1000 21:49, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
References
- The New York Times
- Connecticut Public Radio
- Connecticut Public Radio
- Hartford Courant
- Time
- WGGB/WSHM News
- The Republican
- The Middletown Press
- Manchester Patch
- NBC Connecticut
- Connecticut Made. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 111–112.
- Hartford Courant
- Hartford Courant
- WBTV News
- Hartford Business Journal
- CTNow
- States News Service (subscription required). Quote: " ...hearing in February by the Onyx Spirits Company of Oakland Avenue in East Hartford...tasting of our moonshine in the Onyx Spirits Company facility. Currently, if a...or liquor store owner visits Onyx Spirits Company, they are not allowed to taste..."
- Keep - this Carrie Nation disciple thinks the topic meets GNG, per times (not a trivial mention) and the CPR. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 23:48, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - with recent changes, now passes WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 02:24, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 10:53, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Onyx Moonshine
- Onyx Moonshine ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non notable locally-distributed product with almost entirely local references (except for ref 6, which is Bloomberg) . The paid contributor notice on the article talk page said that the company making the whisky paid for the article to be written, so at least the intent was promotional. DGG ( talk ) 03:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - "The official spirit of the 2012 grammy awards" is a sufficient notability claim for me. I do see that there were possible advertising concerns at first, but it appears that other editors have stepped in and corrected the matter. Fieari ( talk) 03:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as apparently a somewhat newly started alcoholic item, the information and sources are only expected and nothing else outstanding. Delete at best for now until better is available. SwisterTwister talk 03:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note that additional sources have been presented below in this discussion. North America 1000 22:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 03:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 03:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - The company was written about in April Time Magazine [1], NBC [2], as well as other publications in relation to a marketing event where a bottle of liquor was to be launched into space via a weather balloon. Previously, in 2012, there was a full length article in the New York Times [3] about the company. This reference was previously included in the article. I wrote the original article and was a paid contributor Fbell74 ( talk) 06:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. DGG makes an important point with "the intent was promotional": this was created by a paid editor in order to publicise the company and/or product. It is thus an advertisement, and Wikipedia does not allow advertisements, of any kind, anywhere. That I've subsequently hacked at it to make it look a little more like an encyclopaedic article doesn't change that. Paid editing of articles is very strongly discouraged; in practice, about the only form of discouragement we have is to undo or delete those unwelcome edits. Delete this, without prejudice to re-creation of a real Wikipedia article by a non-involved editor if the stuff turns out to be notable (which, personally, I doubt it will). Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 08:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Of note is that the article is presently written in an entirely neutral point of view, with no promotionalism present. North America 1000 22:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The intent may have initially been promotional (and, formatting wise, not very well done, no offense to Fbell74), but the revision as of this message seems acceptable enough and serves to adequately describe a somewhat popular (and therefore notable) beverage in a neutral manner. There are articles with a far more obscure nature than a bottle of booze used by the Grammys. TangoFett ( talk) 09:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Passing mentions of promotional activities, and a minor write-up in the NYT--no, that's not notability by our standards. Drmies ( talk) 01:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Check out WP:NEXIST; notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. North America 1000 22:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
*Delete. Primarily local coverage, plus the one NYT article mentioned by Drmies. In 2015,
one of the founders wrote a book about the experience. Still insufficient
reliable sources to support
WP:GNG or
WP:ORG. It's just a bit
WP:TOOSOON.
Geoff |
Who, me? 20:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- comment - I might vote weak keep, but I can't access the CT Public Radio site, I'm not sure how much depth the content provides. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 16:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 23:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 23:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep – The topic passes WP:GNG. The article does not have a promotional tone at this time. Also of note is that brand topics do not need to have received coverage in regional, statewide or national news sources, although this topic has indeed received such coverage (e.g. Time, Connecticut Public Radio), because WP:AUD only pertains to companies, per being on the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) page. Information on the page about products is located at WP:PRODUCT. Source examples include, but are not limited to those listed below. North America 1000 21:49, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
References
- The New York Times
- Connecticut Public Radio
- Connecticut Public Radio
- Hartford Courant
- Time
- WGGB/WSHM News
- The Republican
- The Middletown Press
- Manchester Patch
- NBC Connecticut
- Connecticut Made. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 111–112.
- Hartford Courant
- Hartford Courant
- WBTV News
- Hartford Business Journal
- CTNow
- States News Service (subscription required). Quote: " ...hearing in February by the Onyx Spirits Company of Oakland Avenue in East Hartford...tasting of our moonshine in the Onyx Spirits Company facility. Currently, if a...or liquor store owner visits Onyx Spirits Company, they are not allowed to taste..."
- Keep - this Carrie Nation disciple thinks the topic meets GNG, per times (not a trivial mention) and the CPR. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 23:48, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - with recent changes, now passes WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 02:24, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.