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The result was keep. There is little support for outright deletion and consensus that the content is notable. A merge (which support for is in the minority) can still be discussed. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Unable to locate any significant biographical details in secondary sources. Being the adopted son of Crazy Horse does not presume notability, and Wikipedia is not a genealogy. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep It seems easy to find more coverage of this notable warrior. See Hokahey! A Good Day to Die!, for example. Applicable policies include WP:ATD; WP:NEXIST; WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉( talk) 18:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @ Andrew Davidson: I looked at the source you mentioned, and only part of the book is available online. What specifically in this source supports notability? Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - It seems almost an impossible task without actually looking through a healthy percentage of the hundreds of books about Sitting Bull (not Crazy Horse) and the Lakota...every mention may only be a trivial mention..."one" and "bull" and "lakota" is almost too broad because of the "one." Caro7200 ( talk) 21:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 23:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep. Assuming that information on the page is correct (apparently it is), having a separate page for this person is completely justifiable per WP:GNG. My very best wishes ( talk) 21:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep -- I think there is too much content for it to be appropiate to merge to Crazy Horse. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per this source, a magazine article written by David Humphreys Miller, a person who met him, he was the last hereditary chief of the Hunkpapa tribe. on camera 05:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep and request the nominator amend the nomination statement's serious error in confusing two significant Native American people. Put a strikethrough and italics or bold with the correction or something. Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse are NOT the same person. Please pace your nominations so you don't get confused again. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 00:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The 1910 Reading Eagle article is quite extraordinary: a medium-sized contemporary newspaper article about the subject. It suggests that there are other reliable sources to be found. — Toughpigs ( talk) 14:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Looks to me like this can be expanded. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 20:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I hope to be able to expand when I get my hands on this book. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 23:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:GNG. Part of attempted mass removal of articles about Native Americans without justification by User:Magnolia677. Not the article it was when first nominated for deletion. WP:HEY and WP:Before. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Well documented notable person, clearly meets WP:GNG. Article is well-referenced. Netherzone ( talk) 16:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Merge with redirect to Sitting Bull - like Sitting Bull's other sons that are also at AFD, this one is just not notable in his own right. Every source put forward so far is about Sitting Bull. Consequently, nearly every sentence in our article is actually about Sitting Bull not One Bull. As with Crow Foot, the only thing we know about One Bull is that he was Sitting Bull's son, and that's all he was known for; that's not notability. The reader will be better served reading what little we know about One Bull in an article about his father. Le v!v ich 20:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nope. This article says things about One Bull. The sources say even more. Regarding those sources, the comment about them all being about Sitting Bull is neither accurate nor relevant. Consider
1 and
2 are about One Bull, and just because a source covers Sitting Bull more than One Bull doesn't mean it won't work for the purposes of an article about the latter.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
20:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- No. 1 is a local paper covering an election and says "Sitting Bull's Son a Candidate" in the subheadline. Doesn't contribute much to notability and very little to content about the subject. No. 2 is One Bull being interviewed about Sitting Bull. Neither satisfy GNG's requirement for in-depth coverage of the article subject in my view. Le v!v ich 21:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nope. This article says things about One Bull. The sources say even more. Regarding those sources, the comment about them all being about Sitting Bull is neither accurate nor relevant. Consider
1 and
2 are about One Bull, and just because a source covers Sitting Bull more than One Bull doesn't mean it won't work for the purposes of an article about the latter.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
20:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. There is little support for outright deletion and consensus that the content is notable. A merge (which support for is in the minority) can still be discussed. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Unable to locate any significant biographical details in secondary sources. Being the adopted son of Crazy Horse does not presume notability, and Wikipedia is not a genealogy. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep It seems easy to find more coverage of this notable warrior. See Hokahey! A Good Day to Die!, for example. Applicable policies include WP:ATD; WP:NEXIST; WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉( talk) 18:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @ Andrew Davidson: I looked at the source you mentioned, and only part of the book is available online. What specifically in this source supports notability? Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - It seems almost an impossible task without actually looking through a healthy percentage of the hundreds of books about Sitting Bull (not Crazy Horse) and the Lakota...every mention may only be a trivial mention..."one" and "bull" and "lakota" is almost too broad because of the "one." Caro7200 ( talk) 21:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 23:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 23:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Assuming that information on the page is correct (apparently it is), having a separate page for this person is completely justifiable per WP:GNG. My very best wishes ( talk) 21:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep -- I think there is too much content for it to be appropiate to merge to Crazy Horse. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per this source, a magazine article written by David Humphreys Miller, a person who met him, he was the last hereditary chief of the Hunkpapa tribe. on camera 05:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep and request the nominator amend the nomination statement's serious error in confusing two significant Native American people. Put a strikethrough and italics or bold with the correction or something. Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse are NOT the same person. Please pace your nominations so you don't get confused again. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 00:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The 1910 Reading Eagle article is quite extraordinary: a medium-sized contemporary newspaper article about the subject. It suggests that there are other reliable sources to be found. — Toughpigs ( talk) 14:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Looks to me like this can be expanded. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 20:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I hope to be able to expand when I get my hands on this book. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 23:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:GNG. Part of attempted mass removal of articles about Native Americans without justification by User:Magnolia677. Not the article it was when first nominated for deletion. WP:HEY and WP:Before. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Well documented notable person, clearly meets WP:GNG. Article is well-referenced. Netherzone ( talk) 16:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Merge with redirect to Sitting Bull - like Sitting Bull's other sons that are also at AFD, this one is just not notable in his own right. Every source put forward so far is about Sitting Bull. Consequently, nearly every sentence in our article is actually about Sitting Bull not One Bull. As with Crow Foot, the only thing we know about One Bull is that he was Sitting Bull's son, and that's all he was known for; that's not notability. The reader will be better served reading what little we know about One Bull in an article about his father. Le v!v ich 20:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nope. This article says things about One Bull. The sources say even more. Regarding those sources, the comment about them all being about Sitting Bull is neither accurate nor relevant. Consider
1 and
2 are about One Bull, and just because a source covers Sitting Bull more than One Bull doesn't mean it won't work for the purposes of an article about the latter.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
20:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- No. 1 is a local paper covering an election and says "Sitting Bull's Son a Candidate" in the subheadline. Doesn't contribute much to notability and very little to content about the subject. No. 2 is One Bull being interviewed about Sitting Bull. Neither satisfy GNG's requirement for in-depth coverage of the article subject in my view. Le v!v ich 21:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nope. This article says things about One Bull. The sources say even more. Regarding those sources, the comment about them all being about Sitting Bull is neither accurate nor relevant. Consider
1 and
2 are about One Bull, and just because a source covers Sitting Bull more than One Bull doesn't mean it won't work for the purposes of an article about the latter.
DiamondRemley39 (
talk)
20:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.