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The result was keep. The consensus emerging from the discussion is that the sources found do rise to the level of significant coverage of the subject. (non-admin closure) Enos733 ( talk) 17:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Omar Shendi
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Subject fails WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of significant coverage. A search per WP:BEFORE did not turn up any significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 ( talk) 11:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Cricket. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 ( talk) 11:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep from ref 2, in his playing career he was part of the league winning team for eleven different seasons, before coaching the side he played for, with a coaching career in Saudi Arabia and another one in Kuwait. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Egypt. Shellwood ( talk) 12:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. What does this guy have to do with cricket? Seems to be an Egyptian footballer and they don't play cricket in Egypt!
StickyWicket (
talk)
14:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think that's Pharaoh-nuff... Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Lugnuts. Had such a prominent career that I am confident significant coverage exists - the fact we cannot seem to find it (because it is likely offline and in Arabic) should not impact. Giant Snowman 11:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Delete, fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT #5. BilledMammal ( talk) 23:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)- Keep Searching Al-Ahram, I was able to find numerous references to his lengthy career, as well as an obituary on April 25, 1992 (page 12). I can't link because the service is subscription only, but I have a copy of the obituary (in Arabic) if anyone is interested in verifying. Unfortunately, Arabic sources tend to disappear from the internet rather quickly (see WP:BIAS), but I did find at least one archived. The title of that translates to "Omar Shendi, the first wizard of the of the Zamalek Club". Canadian Paul 02:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete; fails
WP:GNG and
WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. The source provided by Canadian Paul does not appear to be significant or reliable; it's home page described it as "sports from the perspective of the zamalek fan".
BilledMammal (
talk)
04:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- You have !voted twice. Please strike the !vote on this comment.
Canadian
Paul
01:49, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @ Canadian Paul: Apologies, I didn't notice. Please ping me next time though, as I don't watchlist every AFD I participate in. BilledMammal ( talk) 09:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- You have !voted twice. Please strike the !vote on this comment.
Canadian
Paul
01:49, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes GNG and BEFORE.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:22, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:SPORTCRIT with the link that Canadian Paul. Also lots of mention in books about Egyptian football. Examples one, two, three. I am concerned about these types of nomination of century-old players, who just looking at their accomplishments are undoubtedly going to be notable. Nfitz ( talk) 22:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Canadian Paul's source appears to be a fan site, and there's no reason to believe any of those books contain significant coverage of the subject.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk)
22:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's a blog - not the best ... but who blogs about non-notable 100-year old players? I don't know how you've drawn that conclusion. Nfitz ( talk) 23:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Canadian Paul's source appears to be a fan site, and there's no reason to believe any of those books contain significant coverage of the subject.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk)
22:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The consensus emerging from the discussion is that the sources found do rise to the level of significant coverage of the subject. (non-admin closure) Enos733 ( talk) 17:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Omar Shendi
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Subject fails WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of significant coverage. A search per WP:BEFORE did not turn up any significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 ( talk) 11:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Cricket. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 ( talk) 11:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep from ref 2, in his playing career he was part of the league winning team for eleven different seasons, before coaching the side he played for, with a coaching career in Saudi Arabia and another one in Kuwait. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Egypt. Shellwood ( talk) 12:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. What does this guy have to do with cricket? Seems to be an Egyptian footballer and they don't play cricket in Egypt!
StickyWicket (
talk)
14:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think that's Pharaoh-nuff... Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Lugnuts. Had such a prominent career that I am confident significant coverage exists - the fact we cannot seem to find it (because it is likely offline and in Arabic) should not impact. Giant Snowman 11:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Delete, fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT #5. BilledMammal ( talk) 23:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)- Keep Searching Al-Ahram, I was able to find numerous references to his lengthy career, as well as an obituary on April 25, 1992 (page 12). I can't link because the service is subscription only, but I have a copy of the obituary (in Arabic) if anyone is interested in verifying. Unfortunately, Arabic sources tend to disappear from the internet rather quickly (see WP:BIAS), but I did find at least one archived. The title of that translates to "Omar Shendi, the first wizard of the of the Zamalek Club". Canadian Paul 02:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete; fails
WP:GNG and
WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. The source provided by Canadian Paul does not appear to be significant or reliable; it's home page described it as "sports from the perspective of the zamalek fan".
BilledMammal (
talk)
04:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- You have !voted twice. Please strike the !vote on this comment.
Canadian
Paul
01:49, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @ Canadian Paul: Apologies, I didn't notice. Please ping me next time though, as I don't watchlist every AFD I participate in. BilledMammal ( talk) 09:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- You have !voted twice. Please strike the !vote on this comment.
Canadian
Paul
01:49, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes GNG and BEFORE.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:22, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:SPORTCRIT with the link that Canadian Paul. Also lots of mention in books about Egyptian football. Examples one, two, three. I am concerned about these types of nomination of century-old players, who just looking at their accomplishments are undoubtedly going to be notable. Nfitz ( talk) 22:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Canadian Paul's source appears to be a fan site, and there's no reason to believe any of those books contain significant coverage of the subject.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk)
22:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's a blog - not the best ... but who blogs about non-notable 100-year old players? I don't know how you've drawn that conclusion. Nfitz ( talk) 23:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Canadian Paul's source appears to be a fan site, and there's no reason to believe any of those books contain significant coverage of the subject.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk)
22:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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