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The result was delete. Owen× ☎ 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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My rationale from the just concluded AfD still stands. The subject fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. While there is no source to verify the "Senior Special Assistant to the President on Intergovernmental Affairs" position, it also does not makes the subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. This was previously deleted on this ground and was undeleted and moved here again without any improvement. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Nigeria. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I think the political importance of some of these Federal public servant roles in Nigeria isn't grasped here. What we can note is that the appointment of Smart was a news story in itself in various national media, see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] this source gives indication of how these posts are politically sensitive and fought over. -- Soman ( talk) 12:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it may be a cultural/demographic issue. Federal Public service roles are notable and successive roles for someone that has also achieved academically and regularly contributes to the political space should be able to have a wiki profile, lower profiled people do have one. I believe the article was improved upon
Dondekojo (
talk)
08:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree with that comment implying that the role of Federal public servants isn’t grasped. There are several branches of “federal” public services which makes me think saying “federal” public servants are presumptively notable, it opens room for inappropriacy. And
Dondekojo, I think you have a COI here which you’re not disclosing. Please do the needful per
WP:COIDECLARE so that we’d know where we stand.
Vanderwaalforces (
talk)
08:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not saying every federal public servant is inherently notable. But in Nigerian politics the Chief of Staff positions are important (in part demonstrated by the fact that their appointments for roles like these are national news in itself). We have to understand that the key posts (like speakers, ministries, etc.) turn into fiefdoms, and where the CoS are movers in negotiations and as such public figures. -- Soman ( talk) 10:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree with that comment implying that the role of Federal public servants isn’t grasped. There are several branches of “federal” public services which makes me think saying “federal” public servants are presumptively notable, it opens room for inappropriacy. And
Dondekojo, I think you have a COI here which you’re not disclosing. Please do the needful per
WP:COIDECLARE so that we’d know where we stand.
Vanderwaalforces (
talk)
08:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy deletion under WP:G4: (1) No improvement of previous writing: you cannot recreate the same article without addressing the issues outlined in the previous nom (which was closed as deleted. (2) Notability status has not changed: Between the last nom and this one, definitely he did not just met the requirement outlined in the last discussion. we either respect previous discussion or just re-debate things infinitely with no new substance and that is coming from some one who voted keep last time around. FuzzyMagma ( talk) 13:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Owen× ☎ 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Olanrewaju Smart ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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My rationale from the just concluded AfD still stands. The subject fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. While there is no source to verify the "Senior Special Assistant to the President on Intergovernmental Affairs" position, it also does not makes the subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. This was previously deleted on this ground and was undeleted and moved here again without any improvement. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Nigeria. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I think the political importance of some of these Federal public servant roles in Nigeria isn't grasped here. What we can note is that the appointment of Smart was a news story in itself in various national media, see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] this source gives indication of how these posts are politically sensitive and fought over. -- Soman ( talk) 12:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it may be a cultural/demographic issue. Federal Public service roles are notable and successive roles for someone that has also achieved academically and regularly contributes to the political space should be able to have a wiki profile, lower profiled people do have one. I believe the article was improved upon
Dondekojo (
talk)
08:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree with that comment implying that the role of Federal public servants isn’t grasped. There are several branches of “federal” public services which makes me think saying “federal” public servants are presumptively notable, it opens room for inappropriacy. And
Dondekojo, I think you have a COI here which you’re not disclosing. Please do the needful per
WP:COIDECLARE so that we’d know where we stand.
Vanderwaalforces (
talk)
08:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not saying every federal public servant is inherently notable. But in Nigerian politics the Chief of Staff positions are important (in part demonstrated by the fact that their appointments for roles like these are national news in itself). We have to understand that the key posts (like speakers, ministries, etc.) turn into fiefdoms, and where the CoS are movers in negotiations and as such public figures. -- Soman ( talk) 10:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree with that comment implying that the role of Federal public servants isn’t grasped. There are several branches of “federal” public services which makes me think saying “federal” public servants are presumptively notable, it opens room for inappropriacy. And
Dondekojo, I think you have a COI here which you’re not disclosing. Please do the needful per
WP:COIDECLARE so that we’d know where we stand.
Vanderwaalforces (
talk)
08:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy deletion under WP:G4: (1) No improvement of previous writing: you cannot recreate the same article without addressing the issues outlined in the previous nom (which was closed as deleted. (2) Notability status has not changed: Between the last nom and this one, definitely he did not just met the requirement outlined in the last discussion. we either respect previous discussion or just re-debate things infinitely with no new substance and that is coming from some one who voted keep last time around. FuzzyMagma ( talk) 13:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.