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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 01:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
OG Ikonen
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Unsourced (since 2010) BLP. One article in the external links appears to be the only coverage out there. The Suomi article has more sources but none are reliable/contain coverage apart from the one linked here. He apparently spent one week at #38 on the Finnish album chart ( [1]), but given that Finland has a population of 5-6 million, I don't feel that is convincing enough on its own to justify having an article. Happy to reconsider if some decent coverage is identified. Michig ( talk) 08:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Your remark about population has no bearing in terms of the notability criteria that you invoke, which only says that:" Musicians ... may be notable if they meet ... the following criteria[:] Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" – regardless of what that country is. In fact, the remark only serves to enforce systemic bias. There are no special provisions for musicians coming from countries that are smaller than China. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 16:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Meanwhile, do you have any good arguments for why we should include him? 'May be notable' is the key word there. Not all national charts give the same indication of notability as the sales figures will vary enormously between countries. I would imagine that #38 on the Finnish album chart translates to a relatively small number of sales. After 6 years we have one source that mentions him, and that's about it, which isn't a great basis for an article. -- Michig ( talk) 17:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't. Just pointing out a problematic argument in the nomination for others to consider. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 17:35, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Weak keep and improve. Translating the Swedish article with Google Translate, apparently one album charted at #38 and another at #48. Meets WP:MUSBIO #2. SST flyer 08:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep for Only if this can be improved or else I would've said to delete and Draft if needed. SwisterTwister talk 07:01, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 01:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
OG Ikonen
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Unsourced (since 2010) BLP. One article in the external links appears to be the only coverage out there. The Suomi article has more sources but none are reliable/contain coverage apart from the one linked here. He apparently spent one week at #38 on the Finnish album chart ( [1]), but given that Finland has a population of 5-6 million, I don't feel that is convincing enough on its own to justify having an article. Happy to reconsider if some decent coverage is identified. Michig ( talk) 08:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Nordic Dragon 08:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Nordic Dragon 08:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Your remark about population has no bearing in terms of the notability criteria that you invoke, which only says that:" Musicians ... may be notable if they meet ... the following criteria[:] Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" – regardless of what that country is. In fact, the remark only serves to enforce systemic bias. There are no special provisions for musicians coming from countries that are smaller than China. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 16:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Meanwhile, do you have any good arguments for why we should include him? 'May be notable' is the key word there. Not all national charts give the same indication of notability as the sales figures will vary enormously between countries. I would imagine that #38 on the Finnish album chart translates to a relatively small number of sales. After 6 years we have one source that mentions him, and that's about it, which isn't a great basis for an article. -- Michig ( talk) 17:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't. Just pointing out a problematic argument in the nomination for others to consider. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 17:35, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 01:30, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 01:30, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep and improve. Translating the Swedish article with Google Translate, apparently one album charted at #38 and another at #48. Meets WP:MUSBIO #2. SST flyer 08:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 05:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 05:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep for Only if this can be improved or else I would've said to delete and Draft if needed. SwisterTwister talk 07:01, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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