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The result was withdrawn. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 15:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
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- Oļegs Malašenoks ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This article was previously kept on the ground that Oļegs Malašenoks had been called up to the Latvian national team, or that he had played in the Europa League. Both of these claims appear to be false. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
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Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 14:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - new research has demonstrated notability. Giant Snowman 13:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - Because he played for different states Top Leagues clubs and is still available for calling-up for main team -- Noel baran ( talk) 14:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Neither of these are relevant to notability. The top leagues he has played in are not fully pro and therefore insufficient to grant notability under
WP:NSPORT. The claim that he may be called up at some point is speculation, which is never grounds for notability.
Sir Sputnik (
talk)
15:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, why Latvian league isn't "fully pro"? It's professional, not amateur. I agree that isn't Fußball-Bundesliga or other, but... I read this somewhat surprising, because in this way of thinking do possible to lot of footballers biographies!-- Noel baran ( talk) 16:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - This player has played for the Latvian National Team in 2010 according to FK Jelgava team website. Oļegs Malašenoks biography Also this player played in the 2010–11 UEFA Europa League Molde vs FK Jelgava 2nd qual. round first leg The problem seems that those that want to delete immediately should do a little research. Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 18:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. UEFA says that he played in the qualifying rounds of the Europa League which isn't enough, in my opinion. However, NFT, a site I find useful for national team players, says that he played for Latvia in 2010. He is included in the team here for a 2010 Baltic Cup match against Lithuania on 18 June 2010. I'm going to see if I can find anything more reliable. Argyle 4 Life talk 18:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- I find that quite bias since many countries have to have their teams go through the qualification process thus limiting their exposure to the high
WP:NOTABILITY requirements which the Wiki Football team has set. Getting into European competitions even at the qualification level should be good enough, but thats not for this thread.
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
19:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- The fact that they have to go through qualifying rounds due to their league not being good enough isn't Wikipedia's fault. A player involved in a match between two semi-professional clubs (it can happen in qualifying) is not notable. Malašenoks has played for his country at senior international level so he is fine. Argyle 4 Life talk 17:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Malašenoks is included in the Latvian team for the match against Lithuania on the Latvian Football Federation and the Lithuanian Football Federation websites. As a Latvian international, he passes WP:NFOOTBALL. Argyle 4 Life talk 19:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - As stated above, he is notable for having played for the Latvian national team. As nominator, I am prepared to withdraw this nomination. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 19:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - His page should be updated to reflect his credentials so that this does not repeat. Sounds like a purrfect assignment for some Latvian who wants to improve their English skills. Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 19:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
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The result was withdrawn. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 15:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
- Oļegs Malašenoks ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This article was previously kept on the ground that Oļegs Malašenoks had been called up to the Latvian national team, or that he had played in the Europa League. Both of these claims appear to be false. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 14:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - new research has demonstrated notability. Giant Snowman 13:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - Because he played for different states Top Leagues clubs and is still available for calling-up for main team -- Noel baran ( talk) 14:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Neither of these are relevant to notability. The top leagues he has played in are not fully pro and therefore insufficient to grant notability under
WP:NSPORT. The claim that he may be called up at some point is speculation, which is never grounds for notability.
Sir Sputnik (
talk)
15:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, why Latvian league isn't "fully pro"? It's professional, not amateur. I agree that isn't Fußball-Bundesliga or other, but... I read this somewhat surprising, because in this way of thinking do possible to lot of footballers biographies!-- Noel baran ( talk) 16:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - This player has played for the Latvian National Team in 2010 according to FK Jelgava team website. Oļegs Malašenoks biography Also this player played in the 2010–11 UEFA Europa League Molde vs FK Jelgava 2nd qual. round first leg The problem seems that those that want to delete immediately should do a little research. Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 18:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. UEFA says that he played in the qualifying rounds of the Europa League which isn't enough, in my opinion. However, NFT, a site I find useful for national team players, says that he played for Latvia in 2010. He is included in the team here for a 2010 Baltic Cup match against Lithuania on 18 June 2010. I'm going to see if I can find anything more reliable. Argyle 4 Life talk 18:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- I find that quite bias since many countries have to have their teams go through the qualification process thus limiting their exposure to the high
WP:NOTABILITY requirements which the Wiki Football team has set. Getting into European competitions even at the qualification level should be good enough, but thats not for this thread.
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
19:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- The fact that they have to go through qualifying rounds due to their league not being good enough isn't Wikipedia's fault. A player involved in a match between two semi-professional clubs (it can happen in qualifying) is not notable. Malašenoks has played for his country at senior international level so he is fine. Argyle 4 Life talk 17:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Malašenoks is included in the Latvian team for the match against Lithuania on the Latvian Football Federation and the Lithuanian Football Federation websites. As a Latvian international, he passes WP:NFOOTBALL. Argyle 4 Life talk 19:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - As stated above, he is notable for having played for the Latvian national team. As nominator, I am prepared to withdraw this nomination. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 19:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - His page should be updated to reflect his credentials so that this does not repeat. Sounds like a purrfect assignment for some Latvian who wants to improve their English skills. Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 19:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.