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The result was no consensus. I'm not satisfied that there's a clear consensus here nor that it'll come given we've had two relists already. KaisaL ( talk) 03:01, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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Not a notable diplomat. Clearly fails WP:GNG. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 12:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete (this article has content that triggers copyright violation via https://portals.iucn.org/congress/update/18896 (Ex: She was also the Senior Advisor on climate change to the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Maldives, which is the chair of the Alliance of Small Islands State (AOSIS). Olai is best known for her previous position as the Lead Negotiator for climate change for AOSIS under the Republic of Nauru’s chairmanship that ended in 2014. -- this entire segment has been copied and pasted from the aforementioned link)
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Copyrighted content has been removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rqin3 ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as
WP:POLOUTCOMES says:
Elected and appointed political figures at the national cabinet level are generally regarded as notable...
. Ms. Uludong is Ambassador to the UN and EU, generally a cabinet-level position. Additionally, she has received coverage in WP:RS: [1], [2], [3], [4], which qualifies under WP:GNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ambassadors are not "
political figures at the national cabinet level
". They are appointed civil servants and we don't have article about ambassadors, even if they serve multiple countries. The essential thing we look for non-routine coverage about the subject in reliable independent sources, which seems to be missing here. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 16:14, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ambassadors are not "
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- Keep as per Eggishorn. I've added a couple more references to the article, as well. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 17:12, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep looks notable based on position and also per arguments above. 198.58.162.200 ( talk) 01:27, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep Clearly notable and significant coverage of important work. Montanabw (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Needs some work - I'll hit the categories in a bit - but she's an ambassador to the UN and to the EU. That passes the threshold to me. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 04:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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- consilium.europa.eu Namecheck in a press release
- sprep.org Primary source which seems to be affiliated with the subject. This is not a reliable secondary and independent source.
-
IPSnews. Alternative news agency, but the
entire article is essentially quotes by the subject, making the source primary
. - news.trust.org Not a news article at all, but a two sentence description. This seems to be like the Bloomberg "profiles"
- oceaniatv.net Routine, brief coverage, the type we usually exclude under WP:NPOL. Also website seems dubious/self published
- islandtimes.us 2 sentence routine coverage on a dubious, possibly self published website
- None of this is significant coverage. Ambassadors or even climate change negotiators are not notable by default. If the subject is actually notable (given the claims about being an ambassador to EU and a climate change negotiator), there would have been secondary coverage for her contributions. But I don't see anything. Delete for now. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 16:06, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Ambassadors are not cabinet-level government operatives. They generally just carry out what the government tells them. The sources do not demonstrate the subject of this article is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:14, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- delete lemongirl's assessment of sources shows a clear lack of in depth third party coverage. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar ( talk) 12:59, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I don't think every diplomat is necessarily notable. But ambassador to the UN tends to be a rather high profile position as far as diplomatic postings go. Given that, I am inclined to think that any country's chief ambassador to the UN is notable on account of the position they hold. SJK ( talk) 10:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Consider List of current Permanent Representatives to the United Nations and {{ Permanent Representatives to the United Nations}}. We have articles on quite a few countries ambassadors to the UN already. Although Palau is a much smaller and less powerful country, I think consistency would imply that every country's UN ambassador is notable (by which I mean only their chief representative to the UN, not including any deputy ambassadors etc). Otherwise, where do you draw the line? SJK ( talk) 11:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as clearly a promotional exercise, even after removing much puffery, and the notability appears so borderline that it's unlikely that a substantial non-promotional article could be written. Sandstein 18:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per Lemongirl1942's research. Reyk YO! 20:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. I'm not satisfied that there's a clear consensus here nor that it'll come given we've had two relists already. KaisaL ( talk) 03:01, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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Not a notable diplomat. Clearly fails WP:GNG. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 12:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete (this article has content that triggers copyright violation via https://portals.iucn.org/congress/update/18896 (Ex: She was also the Senior Advisor on climate change to the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Maldives, which is the chair of the Alliance of Small Islands State (AOSIS). Olai is best known for her previous position as the Lead Negotiator for climate change for AOSIS under the Republic of Nauru’s chairmanship that ended in 2014. -- this entire segment has been copied and pasted from the aforementioned link)
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Copyrighted content has been removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rqin3 ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as
WP:POLOUTCOMES says:
Elected and appointed political figures at the national cabinet level are generally regarded as notable...
. Ms. Uludong is Ambassador to the UN and EU, generally a cabinet-level position. Additionally, she has received coverage in WP:RS: [1], [2], [3], [4], which qualifies under WP:GNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ambassadors are not "
political figures at the national cabinet level
". They are appointed civil servants and we don't have article about ambassadors, even if they serve multiple countries. The essential thing we look for non-routine coverage about the subject in reliable independent sources, which seems to be missing here. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 16:14, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ambassadors are not "
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 18:42, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 18:42, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as per Eggishorn. I've added a couple more references to the article, as well. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 17:12, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep looks notable based on position and also per arguments above. 198.58.162.200 ( talk) 01:27, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 01:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 01:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Clearly notable and significant coverage of important work. Montanabw (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Needs some work - I'll hit the categories in a bit - but she's an ambassador to the UN and to the EU. That passes the threshold to me. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 04:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 ( talk) 08:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- consilium.europa.eu Namecheck in a press release
- sprep.org Primary source which seems to be affiliated with the subject. This is not a reliable secondary and independent source.
-
IPSnews. Alternative news agency, but the
entire article is essentially quotes by the subject, making the source primary
. - news.trust.org Not a news article at all, but a two sentence description. This seems to be like the Bloomberg "profiles"
- oceaniatv.net Routine, brief coverage, the type we usually exclude under WP:NPOL. Also website seems dubious/self published
- islandtimes.us 2 sentence routine coverage on a dubious, possibly self published website
- None of this is significant coverage. Ambassadors or even climate change negotiators are not notable by default. If the subject is actually notable (given the claims about being an ambassador to EU and a climate change negotiator), there would have been secondary coverage for her contributions. But I don't see anything. Delete for now. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 16:06, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Ambassadors are not cabinet-level government operatives. They generally just carry out what the government tells them. The sources do not demonstrate the subject of this article is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:14, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- delete lemongirl's assessment of sources shows a clear lack of in depth third party coverage. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar ( talk) 12:59, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I don't think every diplomat is necessarily notable. But ambassador to the UN tends to be a rather high profile position as far as diplomatic postings go. Given that, I am inclined to think that any country's chief ambassador to the UN is notable on account of the position they hold. SJK ( talk) 10:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Consider List of current Permanent Representatives to the United Nations and {{ Permanent Representatives to the United Nations}}. We have articles on quite a few countries ambassadors to the UN already. Although Palau is a much smaller and less powerful country, I think consistency would imply that every country's UN ambassador is notable (by which I mean only their chief representative to the UN, not including any deputy ambassadors etc). Otherwise, where do you draw the line? SJK ( talk) 11:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as clearly a promotional exercise, even after removing much puffery, and the notability appears so borderline that it's unlikely that a substantial non-promotional article could be written. Sandstein 18:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per Lemongirl1942's research. Reyk YO! 20:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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