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The result was delete and redirect to Nettle Creek Township, Grundy County, Illinois. MBisanz talk 03:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Nettle Creek, Illinois
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Another blatant hoax by this user. At least this appears to be a real place, but it claims Hoge fled to China in 1835 during the Black Hawk War which ended in 1832. And the idea of drains stopping nettles seems absurd, though I suppose it's possible. No google results for the supposed golf course other than this article and mirrors. There is a Holderman and Hoge Cemetery in Seneca, but not in Nettle Creek. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The US Geological Survey has separate entries for the township [1] and the "populated place", [2] plus William Hoge was apparently the first white settler in the area. [3] The 2010 population (502) is a bit suspect, however, being almost the same as that of the township (503). Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep real place per WP:GEOLAND. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 22:53, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The unsourced stuff and probably-fake population data needs to go, but there's enough basis for a verifiable article here. TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 12:33, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge to
Nettle Creek Township, Grundy County, Illinois unless actual sources demonstrating separate notability for this specific spot are shown; entry in
USGS GNIS is not legal recognition and doesn't meet
WP:GEOLAND, and it being "verifiable" just means
WP:ITEXISTS, not
WP:GNG. The (non-footnote) only substantial source in the article is about Nettle Creek Township, which itself was barely populated at the time, not about a specific spot. It's probably worth mentioning that this is the oldest hoax article by Bnnnperdue I've seen yet: It way apparently created back in October 2015 by copy-paste from
Mazon, Illinois, then mostly overhauled by
TheCatalyst31 (
talk ·
contribs), but the information here appears to be about the township, not the specific settlement. Note that townships usually had several schools each also: There's a possibility that a school district might pass
WP:GNG. (Boilerplate I'm using for all these nominations: This is a series of
WP:HOAX articles by
Bnnnperdue (
talk ·
contribs), each one using a
USGS GNIS entry, then copy-pasted claims from other towns or patently-false claims about being
incorporated or otherwise a legally-autonomous entity or having some other significant history, so that it appears to the casual viewer that
WP:GEOLAND applies or otherwise gives the façade of meeting
WP:GNG, and a mess like this deletion discussion ensues. In each case, the bulk of the article has been fantasy, often provably false, sometimes with alleged locator maps, also invented by Bnnnperdue. USGS GNIS populated place entries only mean that a place with that name was once on a map or reported to exist at some point; lots of USGS GNIS entries have no significant cultural history and don't meet
WP:GNG; for example, many were mere train stops or intersections with few buildings or other activity. Given the creator's hoax history over the last few months, there's no reason to presume that a subject is/was notable; go look at
User talk:Bnnnperdue and you'll see what's going on here.) --
Closeapple (
talk)
17:56, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I know these are content issues, but I want to point out these claims from the article so that people don't use them to decide Nettle Creek is notable:
- The nearest golf course to Nettle Creek is Nettle Creek Country Club, not near this spot: It's 7 miles southeast, about a quarter mile from the creek named Nettle Creek, near the much larger city of Morris in Erienna Township, Grundy County, Illinois.
- Holderman and Hoge Cemetery ( 410381) is not near this spot; it's 3.5 miles southeast, about 250 feet from the creek named Nettle Creek, in the middle of Nettle Creek Township. I haven't yet found enough photos of this cemetery to determine whether File:HageHoldermanCemetary.jpg is really this cemetery, or a hoax like Bnnnperdue's locator maps and other claims.
- When sources refer to a "town" sometimes they mean a civil township (legal name "Town of Nettle Creek" = "Nettle Creek Township") and sometimes they mean a specific settlement spot. Keep this in mind when referring to histories about "the town", particularly when they say that someone settled in a specific section number. (This article is about a spot that sits of at the corner of sections 5, 6, 7, and 8, by the way. If a history talks about a different section, it's not about this spot.) -- Closeapple ( talk) 19:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I know these are content issues, but I want to point out these claims from the article so that people don't use them to decide Nettle Creek is notable:
- Delete. This is a hoax, one of several by the now-blocked creator. All we have is a GNIS entry saying it is a "populated place". This populated place ( 423014) is different from the civil Township of Nettle Creek ( 429427). The population figure is bogus. The population link is based on the zip code. The Census Bureau does not have a figure for Nettle Creek or Township of Nettle Creek. The claimed history is about the township, not the supposed village. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as fork of Nettle Creek Township, Grundy County, Illinois. Carrite ( talk) 16:59, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as the questionability still outweighs any confirmed convincing information to suggest keeping. SwisterTwister talk 03:48, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete and redirect to Nettle Creek Township, Grundy County, Illinois. MBisanz talk 03:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Nettle Creek, Illinois
- Nettle Creek, Illinois ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Another blatant hoax by this user. At least this appears to be a real place, but it claims Hoge fled to China in 1835 during the Black Hawk War which ended in 1832. And the idea of drains stopping nettles seems absurd, though I suppose it's possible. No google results for the supposed golf course other than this article and mirrors. There is a Holderman and Hoge Cemetery in Seneca, but not in Nettle Creek. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The US Geological Survey has separate entries for the township [1] and the "populated place", [2] plus William Hoge was apparently the first white settler in the area. [3] The 2010 population (502) is a bit suspect, however, being almost the same as that of the township (503). Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep real place per WP:GEOLAND. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 22:53, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The unsourced stuff and probably-fake population data needs to go, but there's enough basis for a verifiable article here. TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 12:33, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge to
Nettle Creek Township, Grundy County, Illinois unless actual sources demonstrating separate notability for this specific spot are shown; entry in
USGS GNIS is not legal recognition and doesn't meet
WP:GEOLAND, and it being "verifiable" just means
WP:ITEXISTS, not
WP:GNG. The (non-footnote) only substantial source in the article is about Nettle Creek Township, which itself was barely populated at the time, not about a specific spot. It's probably worth mentioning that this is the oldest hoax article by Bnnnperdue I've seen yet: It way apparently created back in October 2015 by copy-paste from
Mazon, Illinois, then mostly overhauled by
TheCatalyst31 (
talk ·
contribs), but the information here appears to be about the township, not the specific settlement. Note that townships usually had several schools each also: There's a possibility that a school district might pass
WP:GNG. (Boilerplate I'm using for all these nominations: This is a series of
WP:HOAX articles by
Bnnnperdue (
talk ·
contribs), each one using a
USGS GNIS entry, then copy-pasted claims from other towns or patently-false claims about being
incorporated or otherwise a legally-autonomous entity or having some other significant history, so that it appears to the casual viewer that
WP:GEOLAND applies or otherwise gives the façade of meeting
WP:GNG, and a mess like this deletion discussion ensues. In each case, the bulk of the article has been fantasy, often provably false, sometimes with alleged locator maps, also invented by Bnnnperdue. USGS GNIS populated place entries only mean that a place with that name was once on a map or reported to exist at some point; lots of USGS GNIS entries have no significant cultural history and don't meet
WP:GNG; for example, many were mere train stops or intersections with few buildings or other activity. Given the creator's hoax history over the last few months, there's no reason to presume that a subject is/was notable; go look at
User talk:Bnnnperdue and you'll see what's going on here.) --
Closeapple (
talk)
17:56, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I know these are content issues, but I want to point out these claims from the article so that people don't use them to decide Nettle Creek is notable:
- The nearest golf course to Nettle Creek is Nettle Creek Country Club, not near this spot: It's 7 miles southeast, about a quarter mile from the creek named Nettle Creek, near the much larger city of Morris in Erienna Township, Grundy County, Illinois.
- Holderman and Hoge Cemetery ( 410381) is not near this spot; it's 3.5 miles southeast, about 250 feet from the creek named Nettle Creek, in the middle of Nettle Creek Township. I haven't yet found enough photos of this cemetery to determine whether File:HageHoldermanCemetary.jpg is really this cemetery, or a hoax like Bnnnperdue's locator maps and other claims.
- When sources refer to a "town" sometimes they mean a civil township (legal name "Town of Nettle Creek" = "Nettle Creek Township") and sometimes they mean a specific settlement spot. Keep this in mind when referring to histories about "the town", particularly when they say that someone settled in a specific section number. (This article is about a spot that sits of at the corner of sections 5, 6, 7, and 8, by the way. If a history talks about a different section, it's not about this spot.) -- Closeapple ( talk) 19:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I know these are content issues, but I want to point out these claims from the article so that people don't use them to decide Nettle Creek is notable:
- Delete. This is a hoax, one of several by the now-blocked creator. All we have is a GNIS entry saying it is a "populated place". This populated place ( 423014) is different from the civil Township of Nettle Creek ( 429427). The population figure is bogus. The population link is based on the zip code. The Census Bureau does not have a figure for Nettle Creek or Township of Nettle Creek. The claimed history is about the township, not the supposed village. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as fork of Nettle Creek Township, Grundy County, Illinois. Carrite ( talk) 16:59, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as the questionability still outweighs any confirmed convincing information to suggest keeping. SwisterTwister talk 03:48, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.