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Not finding any signs of independent notability. Her name comes up in articles about Maximum the Hormone but only in passing, and certain search terms bring up more results for the fluffy mascot who took her place one time a few years ago than for her. Unless she's getting more coverage in Japanese media that I don't have access to, I think this page should be redirected to the band's. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 05:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Update: Per PerfectSoundWhatever's mentioning of them below, I went and looked at the articles for the band's other three members and have determined that they run into the same issues as Kawakita's, so I have expanded this AfD to include them as well. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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05:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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MichaylaGussler's from the
talk page they just posted it on:
From now on, please leave your comments on this discussion page where they're meant to go. And if you have access to those Japanese sources you mention then please provide them here. I couldn't even find coverage that identified Kawakita as Nyango Star so if such a piece exists, it would be very helpful. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 11:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Nao Kawakita is relevant, but the sources aren't haven't been provided. Therefore, I feel that as long as more information is added to the article, the article should stay. Most of the sources and relevant news stories about her are in Japanese, and probably haven't been added as they are less likely to appear in English search results. I did also see, however, that even a simple English-based search on news about Nao Kawakita that there were articles about her involvement with the city of Kuroishi City, Aomori-ken in the north where farming is common. According to the articles, including this one by Vice, Nao Kawakita has been performing under the name Nyango Star, a cat-apple hybrid mascot (known as yuru-chara in Japanese) who is working to fight the decline in agriculture in Japan by performing songs and getting children excited about farming and food. I would say that is at least one example of a few other articles she could be linked to. And there's not to mention, much of Maximum the Hormone's history and influence on Japanese Nu Metal culture isn't detailed or linked to as well. MichaylaGussler ( talk) 11:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- It is also worth noting that jp:川北奈緒 is a redirect to the band's page where there is a section on Nao but without a huge amount of promising coverage, and most of what is there revolves around her marriage and pregnancy which is the same fancruft which was removed earlier. Perhaps a merger similar to what the Japanese page has would be the better option. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 11:47, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Copying
MichaylaGussler's from the
talk page they just posted it on:
- Redirect to Maximum the Hormone per QuietHere. I don't see a reason why she should have a seperate page on enwiki if she doesn't even have one on jpwiki. Bensci54 ( talk) 16:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maximum the Hormone. I happen to be very familiar with Nao Kawakita and her band, Maximum the Hormone. She is a very influential and well-respected figure in Japanese rock music, and she is indeed involved in extra educational and charity endeavors. I can attest that these are frequent topics of discussion among those in-the-know. However, for Wikipedia purposes it is fancruft that is not only absent from reliable journalistic sources, it's not particularly encyclopedic either. Until/unless Kawakita's non-band activities become the focus of significant media coverage, there is no problem with a brief mention at the band's article. By far, her notability is within the band. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per the additional nominations after my first vote, I think all four members can be redirected to Maximum the Hormone. Singer Daisuke Tsuda has some extra info of interest as the host of a radio show, but I will simply add that to the band's article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge / redirect to
Maximum the Hormone. The sources indicate she is not notable. We should also look at the band members' articles, as they are in similar shape. —
PerfectSoundWhatever (
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21:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ PerfectSoundWhatever as I wrote above, you inspired me to include the other three bandmates. Just wanna let you, @ Doomsdayer520, @ Bensci54, and @ MichaylaGussler know about the change in scope in case that may affect your opinions at all (though I don't believe it would unless you hold some opposition to the multi-AfD process or something like that).
- I will also note that Michayla has added two new sources to Kawakita's page regarding this Nyango Star character, neither of which appear to confirm that she is the one playing the character, so I don't believe those are acceptable until such confirmation is also provided. Of note, jp:マキシマム ザ ホルモン does not appear to mention Nyango Star at all, let alone confirm who's inside the costume. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maximum the Hormone per above. I don't see proper sourcing for a merge, but no objection to merging properly sourced content if there is a consensus. // Timothy :: talk 05:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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- Daisuke Tsuda (musician) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Futoshi Uehara ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Not finding any signs of independent notability. Her name comes up in articles about Maximum the Hormone but only in passing, and certain search terms bring up more results for the fluffy mascot who took her place one time a few years ago than for her. Unless she's getting more coverage in Japanese media that I don't have access to, I think this page should be redirected to the band's. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 05:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Update: Per PerfectSoundWhatever's mentioning of them below, I went and looked at the articles for the band's other three members and have determined that they run into the same issues as Kawakita's, so I have expanded this AfD to include them as well. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Bands and musicians,
Women, and
Japan.
QuietHere (
talk |
contributions)
05:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Copying
MichaylaGussler's from the
talk page they just posted it on:
From now on, please leave your comments on this discussion page where they're meant to go. And if you have access to those Japanese sources you mention then please provide them here. I couldn't even find coverage that identified Kawakita as Nyango Star so if such a piece exists, it would be very helpful. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 11:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Nao Kawakita is relevant, but the sources aren't haven't been provided. Therefore, I feel that as long as more information is added to the article, the article should stay. Most of the sources and relevant news stories about her are in Japanese, and probably haven't been added as they are less likely to appear in English search results. I did also see, however, that even a simple English-based search on news about Nao Kawakita that there were articles about her involvement with the city of Kuroishi City, Aomori-ken in the north where farming is common. According to the articles, including this one by Vice, Nao Kawakita has been performing under the name Nyango Star, a cat-apple hybrid mascot (known as yuru-chara in Japanese) who is working to fight the decline in agriculture in Japan by performing songs and getting children excited about farming and food. I would say that is at least one example of a few other articles she could be linked to. And there's not to mention, much of Maximum the Hormone's history and influence on Japanese Nu Metal culture isn't detailed or linked to as well. MichaylaGussler ( talk) 11:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- It is also worth noting that jp:川北奈緒 is a redirect to the band's page where there is a section on Nao but without a huge amount of promising coverage, and most of what is there revolves around her marriage and pregnancy which is the same fancruft which was removed earlier. Perhaps a merger similar to what the Japanese page has would be the better option. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 11:47, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Copying
MichaylaGussler's from the
talk page they just posted it on:
- Redirect to Maximum the Hormone per QuietHere. I don't see a reason why she should have a seperate page on enwiki if she doesn't even have one on jpwiki. Bensci54 ( talk) 16:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maximum the Hormone. I happen to be very familiar with Nao Kawakita and her band, Maximum the Hormone. She is a very influential and well-respected figure in Japanese rock music, and she is indeed involved in extra educational and charity endeavors. I can attest that these are frequent topics of discussion among those in-the-know. However, for Wikipedia purposes it is fancruft that is not only absent from reliable journalistic sources, it's not particularly encyclopedic either. Until/unless Kawakita's non-band activities become the focus of significant media coverage, there is no problem with a brief mention at the band's article. By far, her notability is within the band. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per the additional nominations after my first vote, I think all four members can be redirected to Maximum the Hormone. Singer Daisuke Tsuda has some extra info of interest as the host of a radio show, but I will simply add that to the band's article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Merge / redirect to
Maximum the Hormone. The sources indicate she is not notable. We should also look at the band members' articles, as they are in similar shape. —
PerfectSoundWhatever (
t;
c)
21:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ PerfectSoundWhatever as I wrote above, you inspired me to include the other three bandmates. Just wanna let you, @ Doomsdayer520, @ Bensci54, and @ MichaylaGussler know about the change in scope in case that may affect your opinions at all (though I don't believe it would unless you hold some opposition to the multi-AfD process or something like that).
- I will also note that Michayla has added two new sources to Kawakita's page regarding this Nyango Star character, neither of which appear to confirm that she is the one playing the character, so I don't believe those are acceptable until such confirmation is also provided. Of note, jp:マキシマム ザ ホルモン does not appear to mention Nyango Star at all, let alone confirm who's inside the costume. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maximum the Hormone per above. I don't see proper sourcing for a merge, but no objection to merging properly sourced content if there is a consensus. // Timothy :: talk 05:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.