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Comment "남성철 국제 축구 site:.kp" turns up this
[1], but I have no idea, short of translating the entire pdf to see if it talks about the person. I'm not fluent in Korean, I copied his name and used google translate for "international football", it gave me the Korean script that I plugged into Google, limiting it to North Korea websites... Weak keep?
Oaktree b (
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01:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
North Korean literature is always flowery and uses a very positive tone, but it's all published by the government, so use with caution I suppose...
Oaktree b (
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01:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - Is he? How do you know that? Nothing but pure speculation that there are offline sources. No one has provided any evidence that the article satisfies WP:GNG other than to say he has 43 appearances for the national team which alone doesn't meet the criteria for WP:GNG.
Simione001 (
talk)
04:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. I don't know if there is "bias", I just know that we can't rely on
WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES especially for BLPs. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!03:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - One of the main athletes in the history of football in North Korea, a very different case from other athletes nominated for elimination with few appearances/lack of information.
Svartner (
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16:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Actually no, it's not a matter of personal preference by my part. Just a comparison with other articles about North Korean footballers who were nominated for elimination, which in the majority have little information and almost none made by clubs. This case has some achievements that are above: participation in the 2010 FIFA World Cup, +40 international appearances. At the level of North Korean football, he is undeniably an athlete with much more relevance than the others. So in this case, I think deleting the article without other alternatives beforehand in terms of improvements sounds a forceful.
Svartner (
talk)
20:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - What information? The article is totally devoid of any details or sources relating to the subject. Nor has anybody in this discussion provided any.
Simione001 (
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22:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. BEFORE showed nothing meeting WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. Keep votes provide no sources, just ILIKEIT personal opinons. //
Timothy ::
talk03:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment "남성철 국제 축구 site:.kp" turns up this
[1], but I have no idea, short of translating the entire pdf to see if it talks about the person. I'm not fluent in Korean, I copied his name and used google translate for "international football", it gave me the Korean script that I plugged into Google, limiting it to North Korea websites... Weak keep?
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
North Korean literature is always flowery and uses a very positive tone, but it's all published by the government, so use with caution I suppose...
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - Is he? How do you know that? Nothing but pure speculation that there are offline sources. No one has provided any evidence that the article satisfies WP:GNG other than to say he has 43 appearances for the national team which alone doesn't meet the criteria for WP:GNG.
Simione001 (
talk)
04:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. I don't know if there is "bias", I just know that we can't rely on
WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES especially for BLPs. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!03:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - One of the main athletes in the history of football in North Korea, a very different case from other athletes nominated for elimination with few appearances/lack of information.
Svartner (
talk)
16:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Actually no, it's not a matter of personal preference by my part. Just a comparison with other articles about North Korean footballers who were nominated for elimination, which in the majority have little information and almost none made by clubs. This case has some achievements that are above: participation in the 2010 FIFA World Cup, +40 international appearances. At the level of North Korean football, he is undeniably an athlete with much more relevance than the others. So in this case, I think deleting the article without other alternatives beforehand in terms of improvements sounds a forceful.
Svartner (
talk)
20:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - What information? The article is totally devoid of any details or sources relating to the subject. Nor has anybody in this discussion provided any.
Simione001 (
talk)
22:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. BEFORE showed nothing meeting WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. Keep votes provide no sources, just ILIKEIT personal opinons. //
Timothy ::
talk03:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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