The result was no consensus. No consensus for deletion has been formed, though I'd strongly advise editors (especially Sionk) to continue their work in improving the article to avoid it being renominated in the future. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Blatant advertisement even if it's not as severe as others because not only are the casually tossed sources here all trivial and unconvincing, some are obvious press releases while others are comparably covert about it, and the ABC News themselves are in fact local TV news stories, not the national side, and even if it were, a national show such as TODAY, or anything of them would still be only trivial and casual news stories, as is this article here; looking at 10 pages of News all found both blatant and casual advertising, regardless of publication, because that's what the contents exactly were. The 1st AfD had several noticeable troubles about it, not only is that no one ever acknowledged the advertising concerns, but that we're quite obviously aware of such concerns now, and we easily have both policies WP:SPAM and WP:NOT to delete it.
All of these sources only covey what the company would advertise about itself, not what a genuine news article would say, and hence we have churnalism. As it is, the history shows nothing but advertising-only accounts showing how the company was quite likely aware of this article since it bears such similarity to their own advertisements, that they would naturally enjoy this hosted advertising. Another note is the sheer blatancy of this existing since 2009 as an advertisement and it was noticeably removed and then the advertising would be added again, showing the sheer motivations and how we knew in 2014, but no one gave a damn to delete it before it caused worse damages. SwisterTwister talk 18:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
References
All of this violates WP:NOT because it clearly states "Wikipedia is not a sales catalogue or web host of business services" and that's exactly what it is. Especially since TC is notorious for republishing company information, especially the fact it's caring to focus only "company-supplied finance goals and plans", yet another sign it is not independent. Even take one of the links that literally says "Company wants to revolutionize it", no one gives a damn about that than the company itself. The next ones literally say "You need to try MySupermarket and it's services" and "Listen what the company says about itself".
Another is the fact all of this are actually specialized local PR trade publications, including Daily Mail which is notorious for any local for republishing whatever it pleases. Basically the only genuinely major source is the Guardian but even that one, regardless of it being national, is still vulnerable to PR and it has in fact published it before. An example is:
Either way, if you do a regular supermarket shop - particularly if you shop online - mySupermarket.co.uk, which claims to save users up to 20% on their weekly shop, is at least worth a look....By accessing data that is updated daily from each of the supermarkets' own websites, this independent and free service can not only tell you which is the cheapest supplier overall for your entire selection of products, but can also suggest ways of reducing your bill at your chosen supermarket by substituting other goods to get a better deal....Unlike the supermarkets' own websites, mySupermarket.co.uk also lets you adapt shelves to shop by brand or type.....it's cheaper per 100g to buy a pack of 12 Golden Vale Cheestrings Twisters at £2.98 or a pack of 16 at £3.78 (the latter is cheaper by 5p).....potentially save up to £28 more....Later this same paragraph goes to "The company businessman says...." and finishes with "I'll be using their services again!" (how could that never be PR if it's not only closing with it, but also closing with a company quote!)
None of the keep votes have acknowledged WP:NOT, instead going with general guidelines, and they are simply not the same. When we start ignoring policy, we're damned. Now, given this, not a single one of those sources is genuinely national or international, explicitly without company quotes and company-supplied information, because there are none. When we literally start citing local TV station news articles, it shows no one actually cares but the company's own advertising agents! SwisterTwister talk 02:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
The result was no consensus. No consensus for deletion has been formed, though I'd strongly advise editors (especially Sionk) to continue their work in improving the article to avoid it being renominated in the future. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Blatant advertisement even if it's not as severe as others because not only are the casually tossed sources here all trivial and unconvincing, some are obvious press releases while others are comparably covert about it, and the ABC News themselves are in fact local TV news stories, not the national side, and even if it were, a national show such as TODAY, or anything of them would still be only trivial and casual news stories, as is this article here; looking at 10 pages of News all found both blatant and casual advertising, regardless of publication, because that's what the contents exactly were. The 1st AfD had several noticeable troubles about it, not only is that no one ever acknowledged the advertising concerns, but that we're quite obviously aware of such concerns now, and we easily have both policies WP:SPAM and WP:NOT to delete it.
All of these sources only covey what the company would advertise about itself, not what a genuine news article would say, and hence we have churnalism. As it is, the history shows nothing but advertising-only accounts showing how the company was quite likely aware of this article since it bears such similarity to their own advertisements, that they would naturally enjoy this hosted advertising. Another note is the sheer blatancy of this existing since 2009 as an advertisement and it was noticeably removed and then the advertising would be added again, showing the sheer motivations and how we knew in 2014, but no one gave a damn to delete it before it caused worse damages. SwisterTwister talk 18:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
References
All of this violates WP:NOT because it clearly states "Wikipedia is not a sales catalogue or web host of business services" and that's exactly what it is. Especially since TC is notorious for republishing company information, especially the fact it's caring to focus only "company-supplied finance goals and plans", yet another sign it is not independent. Even take one of the links that literally says "Company wants to revolutionize it", no one gives a damn about that than the company itself. The next ones literally say "You need to try MySupermarket and it's services" and "Listen what the company says about itself".
Another is the fact all of this are actually specialized local PR trade publications, including Daily Mail which is notorious for any local for republishing whatever it pleases. Basically the only genuinely major source is the Guardian but even that one, regardless of it being national, is still vulnerable to PR and it has in fact published it before. An example is:
Either way, if you do a regular supermarket shop - particularly if you shop online - mySupermarket.co.uk, which claims to save users up to 20% on their weekly shop, is at least worth a look....By accessing data that is updated daily from each of the supermarkets' own websites, this independent and free service can not only tell you which is the cheapest supplier overall for your entire selection of products, but can also suggest ways of reducing your bill at your chosen supermarket by substituting other goods to get a better deal....Unlike the supermarkets' own websites, mySupermarket.co.uk also lets you adapt shelves to shop by brand or type.....it's cheaper per 100g to buy a pack of 12 Golden Vale Cheestrings Twisters at £2.98 or a pack of 16 at £3.78 (the latter is cheaper by 5p).....potentially save up to £28 more....Later this same paragraph goes to "The company businessman says...." and finishes with "I'll be using their services again!" (how could that never be PR if it's not only closing with it, but also closing with a company quote!)
None of the keep votes have acknowledged WP:NOT, instead going with general guidelines, and they are simply not the same. When we start ignoring policy, we're damned. Now, given this, not a single one of those sources is genuinely national or international, explicitly without company quotes and company-supplied information, because there are none. When we literally start citing local TV station news articles, it shows no one actually cares but the company's own advertising agents! SwisterTwister talk 02:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)