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The result was redirect to Cassatt Quartet#Current members. ✗ plicit 12:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Muneko Otani
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only one not enough reliable source provided. not notable person LusikSnusik ( talk) 11:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Bands and musicians, and Women. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment the article is a bit of a disaster in its current form, misquoting its only source. The source says that the Cassatt quartet, for which Otani is first violinist, has been named three times in the New Yorker's "Best of" sections, while the article leaves it very unclear about whom the New Yorker was writing, failing to mention the quartet at all. In the current situation, would a redirect to Cassatt Quartet be appropriate (where Otani is named and her role described) - without any prejudice against the recreation of a properly-sourced and accurate article? Elemimele ( talk) 16:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Next time, please do a WP:BEFORE search. The absence of sources in an article does not necessarily mean that the subject is non-notable ( WP:NEXIST). Curbon7 ( talk) 17:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. A redirect should be the most dramatic outcome here and it is clear that the proper process of searching for sources prior to nominating for deletion has not been followed. I've made some improvements to the article, but have not spent much time on this, so don't know if WP:GNG is met. The nominator should have done that work before now. CT55555( talk) 22:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Cassatt Quartet per WP:BANDMEMBER, as there is not enough coverage establishing individual notability per WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Checked ProQuest in addition to Google (en/jp), and almost all of her coverage is brief mentions in connection to the Cassatt Quartet (including often positive reviews about her role specifically within the quartet), with occasional direct quotes about the music they are performing (e.g. about Godfrey's "Romanza"). Otherwise, Otani opened the 2014 Bowdoin Festival in a duet with harpist June Han (per Sun Journal); she is sometimes mentioned in passing in coverage about the Bowdoin Summer Music School, where she serves as faculty and works with student chamber groups; and her recitals as soloist/featured artist appear periodically in music listings in The New York Times. Even after the page becomes a redirect, it's fine to add more info in the Cassatt Quartet about her, as long as it properly cites reliable sources. Even if she is eventually replaced as the lead violinist, the information about Otani could be kept in a separate section for "Past members". Cielquiparle ( talk) 08:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect as per above. All the significant coverage I found about the subject are focused on Cassatt Quartet. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 04:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Cassatt Quartet#Current members, where the subject is mentioned. CycloneYoris talk! 09:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Cassatt Quartet#Current members. ✗ plicit 12:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Muneko Otani
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- Muneko Otani ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
only one not enough reliable source provided. not notable person LusikSnusik ( talk) 11:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Bands and musicians, and Women. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment the article is a bit of a disaster in its current form, misquoting its only source. The source says that the Cassatt quartet, for which Otani is first violinist, has been named three times in the New Yorker's "Best of" sections, while the article leaves it very unclear about whom the New Yorker was writing, failing to mention the quartet at all. In the current situation, would a redirect to Cassatt Quartet be appropriate (where Otani is named and her role described) - without any prejudice against the recreation of a properly-sourced and accurate article? Elemimele ( talk) 16:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Next time, please do a WP:BEFORE search. The absence of sources in an article does not necessarily mean that the subject is non-notable ( WP:NEXIST). Curbon7 ( talk) 17:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. A redirect should be the most dramatic outcome here and it is clear that the proper process of searching for sources prior to nominating for deletion has not been followed. I've made some improvements to the article, but have not spent much time on this, so don't know if WP:GNG is met. The nominator should have done that work before now. CT55555( talk) 22:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Cassatt Quartet per WP:BANDMEMBER, as there is not enough coverage establishing individual notability per WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Checked ProQuest in addition to Google (en/jp), and almost all of her coverage is brief mentions in connection to the Cassatt Quartet (including often positive reviews about her role specifically within the quartet), with occasional direct quotes about the music they are performing (e.g. about Godfrey's "Romanza"). Otherwise, Otani opened the 2014 Bowdoin Festival in a duet with harpist June Han (per Sun Journal); she is sometimes mentioned in passing in coverage about the Bowdoin Summer Music School, where she serves as faculty and works with student chamber groups; and her recitals as soloist/featured artist appear periodically in music listings in The New York Times. Even after the page becomes a redirect, it's fine to add more info in the Cassatt Quartet about her, as long as it properly cites reliable sources. Even if she is eventually replaced as the lead violinist, the information about Otani could be kept in a separate section for "Past members". Cielquiparle ( talk) 08:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect as per above. All the significant coverage I found about the subject are focused on Cassatt Quartet. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 04:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Cassatt Quartet#Current members, where the subject is mentioned. CycloneYoris talk! 09:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.