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The result was delete. I find the policy-oriented arguments from the 'delete' side of the conversation significantly more persuasive than the 'keep' arguments. Daniel ( talk) 06:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Munawar Faruqui
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This seems to be a pretty cut and dried case of WP:1E. The reliable sources provided in the article cover the subject specifically in the context of his arrest and I could find no sources outside of those. Fails WP:ENT and WP:GNG. Umakant Bhalerao ( talk) 11:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Speedy Keep according to Clause #3 of WP:SKCRIT i.e. "The nomination is so erroneous that it indicates the nominator has not even read the page in question." Umakant Bhalerao, please explain how this is a " cut and dried case of WP:1E" when the subject was in the news for different incidents in 2020 and 2021. My maths may be weak but it looks to me like 2 Events and not 1, how could you miss that? I suggest you withdraw this erroneous nomination. WP:GNG is easily met due to both national and international media ( BBC, Deutsche Welle, Guardian, [1] Independent [2]) covering it. Refs for 2021 incident. [3] [4] [5] Refs for 2020 incident. [6] [7] [8] I started the article. Walrus Ji ( talk) 11:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Indian comedian held over 'indecent' jokes at show where he did not perform". the Guardian. 24 January 2021.
- ^ "Court denies bail to Indian comedian over alleged jokes that 'hurt Hindu sentiments'". The Independent. 28 January 2021.
- ^ "The Indian comic in jail for jokes he didn't crack (though there are videos in YouTube where he reportedly made fun of hindu deities)". BBC News. 28 January 2021. Retrieved 1 February 2021.
- ^ Welle, Deutsche (20 January 2021). "India: Muslim comedian detained over anti-Hindu jokes he might crack | DW | 20.01.2021". DW.COM. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Indore: Stand-Up Comedian, 4 Others Arrested Based on Complaint by BJP Leader's Son". The Wire.
- ^ "Arrests Have Riled up More People, Receiving More Threats: Agrima Joshua". The Wire. 14 July 2020. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "कॉमेडियन मुनव्वर फारूकी पर मुकदमा दर्ज". Hindustan (in Hindi). Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Case against Stand-up comedian Munawar faruqui for hurting Hindu religious sentiments". Telangana Mata. 15 April 2020. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- @
Walrus Ji: I've already gone through the references including ones you have posted above and they are all about Munawar Faruqui being booked and detained over cracking Anti-hindi jokes. I literally did not find any sources except these when I did a name search on Google. If you provide any three sources that show he has received in-depth significant coverage prior to this incident, i will be more than happy to withdraw my nomination.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
12:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Umakant Bhalerao, How is this a 1 Event case, when I gave reliable source of 2 events separated by year? He is covered in every Indian newspaper (> 40) you can find them just by clicking the links on this AfD page search option. I could also find 4 reputed international news papers listed above. Is this not enough for you? You seem to have some unrealistic standards for GNG that even international coverage seems to be not meeting for you. There seem to be some fundamental issue in the understanding of GNG. Walrus Ji ( talk) 12:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Walrus Ji: Ok so what are his accomplishments? Does he have notable performances? Did we know him before or was he ever discussed in the media prior to this incident? He's probably only been in the news because of making derogatory comments against a religion and cracking offensive jokes in videos. I would ask you to let other editors participate in the discussion and put forward their views.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
13:07, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Umakant Bhalerao, He is getting the international coverage for what he did (and did not). People get coverage and hence notability for all kind of reason. Anyway, you still have not answered, why you are continuing to ignore the fact that he was in the news in 2020 as well. Are you saying that those 2020 coverage links don't exist? This nomination, built over 1Event rule, fails there itself. The international coverage, passes GNG. Yes this can go on for a week, but you have an option to withdraw. Walrus Ji ( talk) 13:24, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Walrus Ji: I have seen many articles discussed in international media and they were yet deleted. Being in the news is not enough and we also need to see why the subject is being in the news. I don't see any notable works by him, neither was he discussed in the media due to his performances before. All i see is he got booked and detained over making offensive statements about a religion and its very common for media to report such things, especially in India. I think i have made clear why i believe this article does not meet the notability requirements for a biography. the final decision now rests with the admin.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
14:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Walrus Ji has been indef blocked by arbcom. Reasons not disclosed. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per NOTNEWS - absolutely no coverage whatsoever in reliable source independent of the incident for which he has been in news. Raymond3023 ( talk) 17:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep An important indicator of the deterioration of freedom of speech. No Swan So Fine ( talk) 19:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, Have a look at this https://m.freepressjournal.in/article/viral/why-is-arrestmunawarfaruqui-trending-on-twitter/50e8ebb1-4501-43fd-8036-ef794710ad30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zainabfarooquiii ( talk • contribs) 20:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- delete the subject doest pass notability criteria for stand up comedians, nor general notability criteria, nor WP:ANYBIO. To establish notability, we need sustained in-depth coverage, the subject doesnt have it. Wikipedia is NOTNEWS. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep, Munawar is also an Indian Youtuber with 560k subscribers and with millions of views on his videos.
youtu.be/BOxmYq1zuzk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zainabfarooquiii ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- struck out repeat vote. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, passes WP:BASIC, primarily due to two separate events so WP:BLP2E would apply here. Tayi Arajakate Talk 11:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- in my opinion, the subject fails BASIC as well. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable comedian, lacking any significance outside a single event. Shrikanthv ( talk) 11:44, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, Its not one single event there are two of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.236.189.197 ( talk) 18:17, February 4, 2021 (UTC)
- This IP has no contributions outside this subject. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, The topic isn't notable at all, the topic is trending for very little time and after some time it will again be non-notable. Okden Nash l9 ( talk) 14:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete wp:event, wp:notnews Only one trick... Yogesh Khandke ( talk)
- Delete per WP:1E. The above WP:ILIKEIT comments are unhelpful and far from proving the subject to be notable. Tessaracter ( talk) 12:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep It's another article in the series of freedom of speech violations of artists, ( in other news : journalists, protesters, farmers) by the ruling government and supporter mobs. As BBC also noted in an article: [1]
His arrest is being seen as the latest assault on freedom of speech in India, encouraged by vigilante activism by Hindu mobs and exacerbated by trolling by online armies on social media. Last year, at least half-a-dozen comics apologised for hurting religious sentiments.
- Delete – it seems most of the "Keep" votes have to do with freedom of speech, but that's a separate issue than whether this particular person is notable – is there an article on the freedom of speech issue that Munawar Faruqui could be redirected to? – Epinoia ( talk) 22:49, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 23:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 23:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. fails WP:ENT and WP:GNG. Jack-in-USA ( talk) 11:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Above "keep" !votes, mostly by SPAs don't really indicate any evidence of notability. Shashank5988 ( talk) 11:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Shashank5988 is casting
WP:ASPERSION on editors he does not agree with stating
Above "keep" !votes, mostly by SPAs
. Vikram Vincent 08:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Shashank5988 is casting
WP:ASPERSION on editors he does not agree with stating
- Weak keep The subject has received wide and enough coverage, and I guess it is enough for him to merit an article. Nonetheless, it appears to me recentism, and I would thus favor slow keep over deletion but I'm fine if it is deleted as well. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep(Also see my previous comment) It seems pressing to have an article with a neutral point of view and reliable sources in a politically and communally sensitive case. I'm not too familiar with all WP policies yet, so I don't know if something related to this exists. AdithyaKL ( talk) 21:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Struck out - Duplicate Vote.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
06:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- @ Umakant Bhalerao: I thought relisting allows presenting new arguments. Can I move my above comment down here, to keep one vote?
- Struck out - Duplicate Vote.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
06:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: As per WP:NOT, Subject is only notable for a single event Kichu🐘 Discuss 17:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. I find the policy-oriented arguments from the 'delete' side of the conversation significantly more persuasive than the 'keep' arguments. Daniel ( talk) 06:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Munawar Faruqui
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This seems to be a pretty cut and dried case of WP:1E. The reliable sources provided in the article cover the subject specifically in the context of his arrest and I could find no sources outside of those. Fails WP:ENT and WP:GNG. Umakant Bhalerao ( talk) 11:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao ( talk) 11:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao ( talk) 11:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao ( talk) 11:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao ( talk) 11:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep according to Clause #3 of WP:SKCRIT i.e. "The nomination is so erroneous that it indicates the nominator has not even read the page in question." Umakant Bhalerao, please explain how this is a " cut and dried case of WP:1E" when the subject was in the news for different incidents in 2020 and 2021. My maths may be weak but it looks to me like 2 Events and not 1, how could you miss that? I suggest you withdraw this erroneous nomination. WP:GNG is easily met due to both national and international media ( BBC, Deutsche Welle, Guardian, [1] Independent [2]) covering it. Refs for 2021 incident. [3] [4] [5] Refs for 2020 incident. [6] [7] [8] I started the article. Walrus Ji ( talk) 11:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Indian comedian held over 'indecent' jokes at show where he did not perform". the Guardian. 24 January 2021.
- ^ "Court denies bail to Indian comedian over alleged jokes that 'hurt Hindu sentiments'". The Independent. 28 January 2021.
- ^ "The Indian comic in jail for jokes he didn't crack (though there are videos in YouTube where he reportedly made fun of hindu deities)". BBC News. 28 January 2021. Retrieved 1 February 2021.
- ^ Welle, Deutsche (20 January 2021). "India: Muslim comedian detained over anti-Hindu jokes he might crack | DW | 20.01.2021". DW.COM. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Indore: Stand-Up Comedian, 4 Others Arrested Based on Complaint by BJP Leader's Son". The Wire.
- ^ "Arrests Have Riled up More People, Receiving More Threats: Agrima Joshua". The Wire. 14 July 2020. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "कॉमेडियन मुनव्वर फारूकी पर मुकदमा दर्ज". Hindustan (in Hindi). Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Case against Stand-up comedian Munawar faruqui for hurting Hindu religious sentiments". Telangana Mata. 15 April 2020. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- @
Walrus Ji: I've already gone through the references including ones you have posted above and they are all about Munawar Faruqui being booked and detained over cracking Anti-hindi jokes. I literally did not find any sources except these when I did a name search on Google. If you provide any three sources that show he has received in-depth significant coverage prior to this incident, i will be more than happy to withdraw my nomination.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
12:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Umakant Bhalerao, How is this a 1 Event case, when I gave reliable source of 2 events separated by year? He is covered in every Indian newspaper (> 40) you can find them just by clicking the links on this AfD page search option. I could also find 4 reputed international news papers listed above. Is this not enough for you? You seem to have some unrealistic standards for GNG that even international coverage seems to be not meeting for you. There seem to be some fundamental issue in the understanding of GNG. Walrus Ji ( talk) 12:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Walrus Ji: Ok so what are his accomplishments? Does he have notable performances? Did we know him before or was he ever discussed in the media prior to this incident? He's probably only been in the news because of making derogatory comments against a religion and cracking offensive jokes in videos. I would ask you to let other editors participate in the discussion and put forward their views.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
13:07, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Umakant Bhalerao, He is getting the international coverage for what he did (and did not). People get coverage and hence notability for all kind of reason. Anyway, you still have not answered, why you are continuing to ignore the fact that he was in the news in 2020 as well. Are you saying that those 2020 coverage links don't exist? This nomination, built over 1Event rule, fails there itself. The international coverage, passes GNG. Yes this can go on for a week, but you have an option to withdraw. Walrus Ji ( talk) 13:24, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Walrus Ji: I have seen many articles discussed in international media and they were yet deleted. Being in the news is not enough and we also need to see why the subject is being in the news. I don't see any notable works by him, neither was he discussed in the media due to his performances before. All i see is he got booked and detained over making offensive statements about a religion and its very common for media to report such things, especially in India. I think i have made clear why i believe this article does not meet the notability requirements for a biography. the final decision now rests with the admin.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
14:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Walrus Ji has been indef blocked by arbcom. Reasons not disclosed. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per NOTNEWS - absolutely no coverage whatsoever in reliable source independent of the incident for which he has been in news. Raymond3023 ( talk) 17:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep An important indicator of the deterioration of freedom of speech. No Swan So Fine ( talk) 19:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, Have a look at this https://m.freepressjournal.in/article/viral/why-is-arrestmunawarfaruqui-trending-on-twitter/50e8ebb1-4501-43fd-8036-ef794710ad30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zainabfarooquiii ( talk • contribs) 20:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- delete the subject doest pass notability criteria for stand up comedians, nor general notability criteria, nor WP:ANYBIO. To establish notability, we need sustained in-depth coverage, the subject doesnt have it. Wikipedia is NOTNEWS. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep, Munawar is also an Indian Youtuber with 560k subscribers and with millions of views on his videos.
youtu.be/BOxmYq1zuzk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zainabfarooquiii ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- struck out repeat vote. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, passes WP:BASIC, primarily due to two separate events so WP:BLP2E would apply here. Tayi Arajakate Talk 11:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- in my opinion, the subject fails BASIC as well. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable comedian, lacking any significance outside a single event. Shrikanthv ( talk) 11:44, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, Its not one single event there are two of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.236.189.197 ( talk) 18:17, February 4, 2021 (UTC)
- This IP has no contributions outside this subject. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, The topic isn't notable at all, the topic is trending for very little time and after some time it will again be non-notable. Okden Nash l9 ( talk) 14:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete wp:event, wp:notnews Only one trick... Yogesh Khandke ( talk)
- Delete per WP:1E. The above WP:ILIKEIT comments are unhelpful and far from proving the subject to be notable. Tessaracter ( talk) 12:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep It's another article in the series of freedom of speech violations of artists, ( in other news : journalists, protesters, farmers) by the ruling government and supporter mobs. As BBC also noted in an article: [1]
His arrest is being seen as the latest assault on freedom of speech in India, encouraged by vigilante activism by Hindu mobs and exacerbated by trolling by online armies on social media. Last year, at least half-a-dozen comics apologised for hurting religious sentiments.
- Delete – it seems most of the "Keep" votes have to do with freedom of speech, but that's a separate issue than whether this particular person is notable – is there an article on the freedom of speech issue that Munawar Faruqui could be redirected to? – Epinoia ( talk) 22:49, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 23:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 23:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. fails WP:ENT and WP:GNG. Jack-in-USA ( talk) 11:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Above "keep" !votes, mostly by SPAs don't really indicate any evidence of notability. Shashank5988 ( talk) 11:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Shashank5988 is casting
WP:ASPERSION on editors he does not agree with stating
Above "keep" !votes, mostly by SPAs
. Vikram Vincent 08:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Shashank5988 is casting
WP:ASPERSION on editors he does not agree with stating
- Weak keep The subject has received wide and enough coverage, and I guess it is enough for him to merit an article. Nonetheless, it appears to me recentism, and I would thus favor slow keep over deletion but I'm fine if it is deleted as well. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep(Also see my previous comment) It seems pressing to have an article with a neutral point of view and reliable sources in a politically and communally sensitive case. I'm not too familiar with all WP policies yet, so I don't know if something related to this exists. AdithyaKL ( talk) 21:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Struck out - Duplicate Vote.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
06:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- @ Umakant Bhalerao: I thought relisting allows presenting new arguments. Can I move my above comment down here, to keep one vote?
- Struck out - Duplicate Vote.--
Umakant Bhalerao (
talk)
06:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: As per WP:NOT, Subject is only notable for a single event Kichu🐘 Discuss 17:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.