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The result was merge to Makua people#Religion. Star Mississippi 14:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Muluku
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This has been flagged as a potential hoax. Not only has the article been an unsourced WP:PERMASTUB since its creation in May 2004, but a search for "Muluku Mozambique" or "Muluku god" or anything come to that mostly returns results that can be traced back to the article itself. There is apparently an OUP book that mentions Muluku, but I’m unable to access it and therefore cannot be sure of its veracity.
This might have been a partial name-change of Nana Buluku. Furthermore, the traditional Makua religion does not have a god of creation per se. The article has not been edited that much since its creation, which is always a red flag, and the writing is some of the worst I’ve ever seen for any Wikipedia article. 00sClassicGamerFan ( talk) 15:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Mythology, Religion, and Africa. 00sClassicGamerFan ( talk) 15:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep. I poked around Google Books and managed to track down plenty of snippets and previews that back up the story. Here's a few:
- Animals in Religion: Devotion, Symbol and Ritual, published 2016 [1]
- A Visual Guide to Evolution and Genetics, published 2018 [2]
- African Mythology, A to Z [3]
- This one is the real kicker as it was published in 1979, so no chance of a Wikipedia hoax corrupting it. Mythologies of the World: A Concise Encyclopedia [4]
I think there are enough sources to make an article viable, although it being all but abandoned for 18 years might make finding editors dicey. Maybe the wikiprojects for Mozambique, mythology, or religion would be interested. Blue Edits ( talk) 16:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TNT. There is nothing worth saving in this article, except maybe the first sentence if it were cited, but we should leave a blank slate for any future article. Ovinus ( talk) 17:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Guess I was wrong! To me, this case is reminiscent of Ruda Real: a likely real entity got corrupted into a fictitious story on Wikipedia.
- The 1979 book is an excellent find! Even so, I’m not sure this is notable enough. 00sClassicGamerFan ( talk) 21:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Makua people#Religion. I've copyedited the article and added some of the sources found by Blue Edits and the OP. Not a hoax, but it doesn't seem likely that this article will ever be more than a paragraph long, so I think it would make sense to merge it. (See also Minepa.) Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 16:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep? Delete? Merge? They all have their advocates.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per Sojourner. Makua people is already a pretty short article, no need to splinter everything Wikipedia has on them into substubs. BrigadierG ( talk) 23:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Makua people#Religion. Star Mississippi 14:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Muluku
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This has been flagged as a potential hoax. Not only has the article been an unsourced WP:PERMASTUB since its creation in May 2004, but a search for "Muluku Mozambique" or "Muluku god" or anything come to that mostly returns results that can be traced back to the article itself. There is apparently an OUP book that mentions Muluku, but I’m unable to access it and therefore cannot be sure of its veracity.
This might have been a partial name-change of Nana Buluku. Furthermore, the traditional Makua religion does not have a god of creation per se. The article has not been edited that much since its creation, which is always a red flag, and the writing is some of the worst I’ve ever seen for any Wikipedia article. 00sClassicGamerFan ( talk) 15:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Mythology, Religion, and Africa. 00sClassicGamerFan ( talk) 15:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep. I poked around Google Books and managed to track down plenty of snippets and previews that back up the story. Here's a few:
- Animals in Religion: Devotion, Symbol and Ritual, published 2016 [1]
- A Visual Guide to Evolution and Genetics, published 2018 [2]
- African Mythology, A to Z [3]
- This one is the real kicker as it was published in 1979, so no chance of a Wikipedia hoax corrupting it. Mythologies of the World: A Concise Encyclopedia [4]
I think there are enough sources to make an article viable, although it being all but abandoned for 18 years might make finding editors dicey. Maybe the wikiprojects for Mozambique, mythology, or religion would be interested. Blue Edits ( talk) 16:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TNT. There is nothing worth saving in this article, except maybe the first sentence if it were cited, but we should leave a blank slate for any future article. Ovinus ( talk) 17:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Guess I was wrong! To me, this case is reminiscent of Ruda Real: a likely real entity got corrupted into a fictitious story on Wikipedia.
- The 1979 book is an excellent find! Even so, I’m not sure this is notable enough. 00sClassicGamerFan ( talk) 21:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Makua people#Religion. I've copyedited the article and added some of the sources found by Blue Edits and the OP. Not a hoax, but it doesn't seem likely that this article will ever be more than a paragraph long, so I think it would make sense to merge it. (See also Minepa.) Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 16:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep? Delete? Merge? They all have their advocates.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per Sojourner. Makua people is already a pretty short article, no need to splinter everything Wikipedia has on them into substubs. BrigadierG ( talk) 23:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.