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The result was delete . ✗ plicit 14:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Mr Puaz
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i don't feel this article is notable enough under the relevant policies and even on a regional level, open to to be corrected regardless XR98 ( talk) 13:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. XR98 ( talk) 13:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Very promo, I'm not seeing that the awards are notable either. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - He was already deleted twice and temporarily salted once, and several participants in the previous AfDs recommended salting too. Make it permanent this time. The article is an obvious attempt at promotion, and is typical of hundreds of articles we've seen on beginners in the African music scene. Managers send promo blurbs to promotional sites that merely reprint them, and then those are used as "sources" for a Wikipedia article. Good luck to this chap in his next career move. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tanzania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No WP:RS I could find and as stated by doomsdayer this happens all the time. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Can someone tells me if this articles are not reliable sources?
- 1. https://www.bbc.com/swahili/habari-46748076
- 2. https://www.bbc.com/swahili/49464385
- 3. https://www.musicinafrica.net/magazine/tanzanian-singer-publish-music-business-book
- 4. https://hivisasa.com/posts/66874273-mr-puaz-wins-most-supportive-man-at-starqt-awards-in-south-africa
- 5. https://afromuziki.com/mr-puaz/
- 6. https://mpasho.co.ke/inpictures/2019-01-04-exclusive-harmonizes-manager-mr-puaz-exits-wcb/
- 7. https://www.pulselive.co.ke/entertainment/mr-puaz-khaligraph-jones-diamond-sautisol-and-other-stars-nominated-for-africa/wg9882t.amp
- I think you guys have mandate to fact checking things up with references as this article was also once reviewed by admins unless wikipedia has new rules that we dont know about. Being deleted twice does not makes us not to evaluate the subject to see if there is notability on other sources. This is my view. And when an admin says " we've seen on beginners in the African music scene. Managers send promo blurbs to promotional sites that merely reprint them" to me it sound like you have specifics site that your looking instead of fact checking professionally. This is my view. Regards
Delvant (
talk) 15:52, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- I made the "beginners in the African music scene" comment but I am not an admin. Meanwhile, BBC is potentially reliable but the articles have to be about the person in question. The two BBC articles listed here are about a different singer named Harmonize, and our subject here (Mr Puaz) is just quoted briefly as an associate of Harmonize. If there was a BBC article that is really about Mr Puaz then that would be useful here. Meanwhile, the other listed sources featuring Mr Puaz himself are still unreliable blogs and promo reprints. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 17:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- replyYes, Mr Puaz is a notable person in Tanzania's entertainment industry, known for his work botha as a musician and talent manager. He has won several awards over the years, including the "Most Supportive Man Of The Year" at the Starqt Awards in South Africa and the "Best African Talent/Artist Manager" at the Africa Entertainment Awards USA. He has also worked with some of the biggest names in East African music, including Diamond Platnumz, Harmonize, and Nedy Music. Read this article on BBC again as it doesnt talk about someone else but Mr Puaz on how he ended his music relationship with his artist who he used to manage.This ( https://www.bbc.com/swahili/habari-46748076 ) I am a swahili native speaker as well and i understand what its written there even when you translate it to english it still say "Top Tanzania manager" plus the awards he won and being nominated like the one on AEAUSA ( AFRICA ENTERTAINMENT AWARDS USA) this is also a notable award. Still am not conviced that this subject is not notable unless you tell me whats notability means on your aide and share examples as i uave seen lot of wikipedia articles with more blogs and still have been reviewed. 197.250.130.216 ( talk) 18:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- I made the "beginners in the African music scene" comment but I am not an admin. Meanwhile, BBC is potentially reliable but the articles have to be about the person in question. The two BBC articles listed here are about a different singer named Harmonize, and our subject here (Mr Puaz) is just quoted briefly as an associate of Harmonize. If there was a BBC article that is really about Mr Puaz then that would be useful here. Meanwhile, the other listed sources featuring Mr Puaz himself are still unreliable blogs and promo reprints. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 17:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Native Swahili speaker here - negligible refrences to Mr Puaz on the BBC Swahili reports, the rest are personal blogs and all that -- XR98 ( talk) 16:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment So all these are just personal blogs that writing different things and get paid ( Promotion) as you described? Even for BBC and others?
- 1. https://bongo5.com/aliyewahi-kuwa-meneja-wa-harmonize-mr-puaz-azindua-chapa-yake-ya-mavazi-na-viatu-10-2021/
- 2. https://mpasho.co.ke/exclusives/2021-09-14-exclusive-five-things-you-need-to-know-about-harmonizes-ex-manager/
- 3. https://www.kahawatungu.com/harmonizes-manager-resigns-from-wasafi-records/amp/
- 4. https://barakafm.org/2019/01/04/harmonizes-manager-quits-accusing-the-singer-of-being-proud/
- 5. https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/entertainment/african-news/article/2001308626/harmonizes-manager-quits-cites-singers-pride
- So all these seem to be personal blogs? 🤔🤔🤔 Delvant ( talk) 16:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Additional Comment i realize he is also mentioned on this notable award ( /info/en/?search=2019_African_Entertainment_Awards_USA ) under the nomination category ( Best Male Artist – Central/West Africa ) also more sources mentioned his name Joel Vincent Joseph at ( https://mbu.ug/2019/08/23/africa-entertainment-awards-usa-full-list-of-nominees/ ) Delvant ( talk) 22:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: promo BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Sources in article and above are promotional and BEFORE showed nothing from IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 10:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete . ✗ plicit 14:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Mr Puaz
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i don't feel this article is notable enough under the relevant policies and even on a regional level, open to to be corrected regardless XR98 ( talk) 13:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. XR98 ( talk) 13:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Very promo, I'm not seeing that the awards are notable either. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - He was already deleted twice and temporarily salted once, and several participants in the previous AfDs recommended salting too. Make it permanent this time. The article is an obvious attempt at promotion, and is typical of hundreds of articles we've seen on beginners in the African music scene. Managers send promo blurbs to promotional sites that merely reprint them, and then those are used as "sources" for a Wikipedia article. Good luck to this chap in his next career move. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tanzania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No WP:RS I could find and as stated by doomsdayer this happens all the time. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Can someone tells me if this articles are not reliable sources?
- 1. https://www.bbc.com/swahili/habari-46748076
- 2. https://www.bbc.com/swahili/49464385
- 3. https://www.musicinafrica.net/magazine/tanzanian-singer-publish-music-business-book
- 4. https://hivisasa.com/posts/66874273-mr-puaz-wins-most-supportive-man-at-starqt-awards-in-south-africa
- 5. https://afromuziki.com/mr-puaz/
- 6. https://mpasho.co.ke/inpictures/2019-01-04-exclusive-harmonizes-manager-mr-puaz-exits-wcb/
- 7. https://www.pulselive.co.ke/entertainment/mr-puaz-khaligraph-jones-diamond-sautisol-and-other-stars-nominated-for-africa/wg9882t.amp
- I think you guys have mandate to fact checking things up with references as this article was also once reviewed by admins unless wikipedia has new rules that we dont know about. Being deleted twice does not makes us not to evaluate the subject to see if there is notability on other sources. This is my view. And when an admin says " we've seen on beginners in the African music scene. Managers send promo blurbs to promotional sites that merely reprint them" to me it sound like you have specifics site that your looking instead of fact checking professionally. This is my view. Regards
Delvant (
talk) 15:52, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- I made the "beginners in the African music scene" comment but I am not an admin. Meanwhile, BBC is potentially reliable but the articles have to be about the person in question. The two BBC articles listed here are about a different singer named Harmonize, and our subject here (Mr Puaz) is just quoted briefly as an associate of Harmonize. If there was a BBC article that is really about Mr Puaz then that would be useful here. Meanwhile, the other listed sources featuring Mr Puaz himself are still unreliable blogs and promo reprints. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 17:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- replyYes, Mr Puaz is a notable person in Tanzania's entertainment industry, known for his work botha as a musician and talent manager. He has won several awards over the years, including the "Most Supportive Man Of The Year" at the Starqt Awards in South Africa and the "Best African Talent/Artist Manager" at the Africa Entertainment Awards USA. He has also worked with some of the biggest names in East African music, including Diamond Platnumz, Harmonize, and Nedy Music. Read this article on BBC again as it doesnt talk about someone else but Mr Puaz on how he ended his music relationship with his artist who he used to manage.This ( https://www.bbc.com/swahili/habari-46748076 ) I am a swahili native speaker as well and i understand what its written there even when you translate it to english it still say "Top Tanzania manager" plus the awards he won and being nominated like the one on AEAUSA ( AFRICA ENTERTAINMENT AWARDS USA) this is also a notable award. Still am not conviced that this subject is not notable unless you tell me whats notability means on your aide and share examples as i uave seen lot of wikipedia articles with more blogs and still have been reviewed. 197.250.130.216 ( talk) 18:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- I made the "beginners in the African music scene" comment but I am not an admin. Meanwhile, BBC is potentially reliable but the articles have to be about the person in question. The two BBC articles listed here are about a different singer named Harmonize, and our subject here (Mr Puaz) is just quoted briefly as an associate of Harmonize. If there was a BBC article that is really about Mr Puaz then that would be useful here. Meanwhile, the other listed sources featuring Mr Puaz himself are still unreliable blogs and promo reprints. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 17:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Native Swahili speaker here - negligible refrences to Mr Puaz on the BBC Swahili reports, the rest are personal blogs and all that -- XR98 ( talk) 16:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment So all these are just personal blogs that writing different things and get paid ( Promotion) as you described? Even for BBC and others?
- 1. https://bongo5.com/aliyewahi-kuwa-meneja-wa-harmonize-mr-puaz-azindua-chapa-yake-ya-mavazi-na-viatu-10-2021/
- 2. https://mpasho.co.ke/exclusives/2021-09-14-exclusive-five-things-you-need-to-know-about-harmonizes-ex-manager/
- 3. https://www.kahawatungu.com/harmonizes-manager-resigns-from-wasafi-records/amp/
- 4. https://barakafm.org/2019/01/04/harmonizes-manager-quits-accusing-the-singer-of-being-proud/
- 5. https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/entertainment/african-news/article/2001308626/harmonizes-manager-quits-cites-singers-pride
- So all these seem to be personal blogs? 🤔🤔🤔 Delvant ( talk) 16:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Additional Comment i realize he is also mentioned on this notable award ( /info/en/?search=2019_African_Entertainment_Awards_USA ) under the nomination category ( Best Male Artist – Central/West Africa ) also more sources mentioned his name Joel Vincent Joseph at ( https://mbu.ug/2019/08/23/africa-entertainment-awards-usa-full-list-of-nominees/ ) Delvant ( talk) 22:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: promo BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Sources in article and above are promotional and BEFORE showed nothing from IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 10:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.