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The result was keep. Sandstein 10:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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This is a small co-op punk rock club in Pittsburgh. Nearly every city in America has such a place, often more than one. Very few of them are really notable. This article has been tagged as relying on primary sources (including “this one guy says this is what happened”) for nearly 10 years without the issue being fixed. Most coverage is routine and trivial, show listings and so forth (and a lot of false positive results related to the song by Styx). I don’t think this ever was a truly notable topic (having tagged it for proposed deletion shortly after it was created all that time ago) and the lack of more sources or other improvements in the very long time since then would seem to indicate the same. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:15, 9 July 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 03:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC) see below. Beeblebrox ( talk) 05:37, 14 July 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 03:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep. I added some references. This venue and its co-operative way of operating may have had influence on venues in other cities, but I have not been able to verify this. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete: I agree with nom; this is a small local rock club of the sort that exists in many a city, and gets modest mentions in whatever local alternative weekly press exists, which is why we have WP:CORPDEPTH. Whatever allegations of this outfit's impact in other areas there are, without reliable sources attesting to the same (from those other areas, that is), we can take no notice of the claim. Nha Trang ^Allons! 17:50, 17 July 2018 (UTC) reply

• Now that this is re-opened following a flawed NAC, let me explicitly say that I fully agree with Nha Trang’s above comment, and feel that the added sources still fail CORPDEPTH per ROUTINE, and the fact that they were just tacked out without actually improving the article at all constitutes reference bombing and nothing else. Beeblebrox ( talk) 21:47, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Sources don't even have to be added to an article to count toward WP:N, they just have to exist. I feel that part of your argument is flawed. Hobit ( talk) 01:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC) reply
• keep [1] has a paragraph on the place as well as a picture. [2] appears to have a full chapter (not all viewable...). A search shows that it has 100s of mentions in local news. It's notable both by the Wikipedia definition of the word and the common English meaning. Hobit ( talk) 01:57, 31 July 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep. The sources mentioned by Hobit, in particular, do seem to verify that this venue/organization is not merely a hangout of only local import, but holds significance to punk/DIY culture in general terms. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 19:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 03:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep, meets WP:GNG with sources that do have WP:CORPDEPTH ie. the books listed above by Hobit, it is also discussed in Underground: The Subterranean Culture of DIY Punk Shows. Coolabahapple ( talk) 03:46, 1 August 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep per Eastmain, Hobit, Arxiloxos and Coolabahapple. Satisfies GNG. James500 ( talk) 13:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.