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The result was merge to Hünegg Castle. slakr\ talk / 09:29, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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Non-notable model railroad exhibition. Prod removed by a single purpose account. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Not-notable model railroad exhibition? This is your view user WikiDan61! Have you seen this exhibition? Are you model railroaders? Prod removed by a single purpose account? Where is the problem?-- Feliz Nuevo ( talk) 20:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC) — Feliz Nuevo ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- From my point of view Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel is a very good article! Quick and Accurate!-- Feliz Nuevo ( talk) 20:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please comment on the argument, not the arguer. Also, remember that "I like it" is not a good reason to keep an article. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note that User:Feliz Nuevo has no edits outside of the scope of this discussion. -- Kinu t/ c 17:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Notability isn't conferred by the impressiveness of the exhibition, but by signficant coverage in reliable sources. The brochure of the exhibition, or its website, or the website of the castle (which, by the way, appears to fail to mention the exhibition at all) do not count as reliable, independent sources. Find some actual sources, and the story here might change. As for my comment about "PROD removed by a single purpose account", that refers to the fact that new users who register solely for the purpose of commenting on deletion processes generally raise red flags, due to their unfamiliarity with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to the possibility that such accounts are created maliciously to subvert the deletion process. That is not the only reason such accounts are created, but it does become a factor in the deletion decision process. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 20:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- WikiDan61 your comment is nonsense! What is your contribution to this article?--
Feliz Nuevo (
talk) 20:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- My contribution is to have evaluated it as not meriting inclusion. With no reliable sources to draw on, what other contributions can I make? And please refrain from making personal attacks against other editors. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 21:14, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- WikiDan61 your comment is nonsense! What is your contribution to this article?--
Feliz Nuevo (
talk) 20:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 19:52, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. Surprisingly enough, the topic technically passes the notability threshold. The exhibition received coverage in national Swiss media, including Swiss television ( [1]) and the NZZ newspaper ( [2]). However, technical notability aside, this is a temporary exhibition about a niche topic in a small country, and of exceedingly limited interest to everybody but a very few people. A mention in the article Hünegg Castle is quite enough; Wikipedia is not an events guide. What's more, the article is very incompetently written (it reads like a machine translation) and would need a complete rewrite. It doesn't look like any of the editors of the article are up to the task, and I'm not going to spend an hour recreating an article about this exceedingly trivial topic. Sandstein 20:33, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Excuse my English. Very good article. Why delete? Message in the Swiss radio and television, in the NZZ, in the magazine Eisenbahn Amateur Eisenbahn Amateur. It is one of the first exhibitions this topic completely. Mountain railways are extremely important for Switzerland (tourism, transit traffic).-- Schönegg ( talk) 10:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Just as a note, while this article may or may not cross the notability bar, nominating an article for deletion 11 minutes after creation is biting the newbies. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment The Bushranger! It is deleted too much, little motivation from others by experienced... Inappropriate statements by lack of knowledge of the subject (Sandstein), rather destructive work as constructive (Feliz Nuevo)... Look as an example at the following text in NZZ Online from 24. December 2013 about Wikipedia (unfortunately in German): www.nzz.ch Die Online-Enzyklopädie soll für Autoren attraktiver werden, weswegen diese nun ihre Beiträge als Entwürfe speichern können Wikipedia lost a lot of sympathy in the recent years.-- Schönegg ( talk) 20:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- I'd also note that "lack of knowledge of the subject" is not at all a reason to shun someone's opinion, for better or for worse, and that you need to refute the argument, not the arguer. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep! Why delete? Envious? I see no reason to delete this text in comparison with many other texts in Wikipedia! Examples:
Sexpo 2005 and
The Toy Train Depot.--
Paintitup (
talk) 19:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC) —
Paintitup (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Comment The rationale behind the nomination of this article for deletion was given at the time of nomination: it does not meet the
criteria for inclusion based on Wikipedia guidelines. Please provide a guideline-based argument for its retention.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Further to Paintitup's comments (which were updated after my first reply): you're right, those articles are pretty bad and should probably be deleted. But that's a different discussion. We're talking about
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel, and the argument that we should keep this article because
other stuff exists is a weak one.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can not understand that. Then delete first the others - smile...--
Paintitup (
talk) 19:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:WAX and
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The presence or absence of other articles, or whether or not other articles should or should not be deleted, is irrelevant to whether or not this article should be deleted. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- @The Bushranger is that all you can think to do this? I find your comments on this page a little crazy. Do you have a problem with the Switzerland? @The Bushranger and @WikiDan61: Why do you speak only by deleting the text her, and why you speak not by a transfer to the Hünegg Castle? Why do you not change the guidelines? Where is it written that guidelines kept must be strict?-- Paintitup ( talk) 06:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:WAX and
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The presence or absence of other articles, or whether or not other articles should or should not be deleted, is irrelevant to whether or not this article should be deleted. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can not understand that. Then delete first the others - smile...--
Paintitup (
talk) 19:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Further to Paintitup's comments (which were updated after my first reply): you're right, those articles are pretty bad and should probably be deleted. But that's a different discussion. We're talking about
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel, and the argument that we should keep this article because
other stuff exists is a weak one.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment The rationale behind the nomination of this article for deletion was given at the time of nomination: it does not meet the
criteria for inclusion based on Wikipedia guidelines. Please provide a guideline-based argument for its retention.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Paint -- this is not the venue to discuss changing the notability standards by which Wikipedia editors evaluate articles. If you wish tilt at that windmill, you should open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability. You wouldn't be the first, and likely you wouldn't be the last. As for a transfer of the text to the article about Hünegg Castle, there is already a mention of the exhibit at that article. Based on the scant coverage available for the event, I think that mention is sufficient: any expansion would have to rely on the unreliable primary sources on which the present article is based. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle ( talk) 17:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Boys always want to stage train wrecks with their model railways! :) There are obvious alternatives to deletion such as a merger into Hünegg Castle and so our editing policy applies. Andrew ( talk) 20:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- Not only boys. Girls also! And now train wrecks! Objects of cultural value! Smile. To move the text to the Castle Hünegg is imaginable. However, this should make those no want independent articlebecause of the crazy paragraphs. Don't think this is not really clever. This can end like in en monster article. As example: Trolleybus (German). @Andrew: When Boys always want to stage train wrecks with their model railways do not make anything more stupid. Hang about, to fume cigar form Cuba, write article in Wikipedia…-- Paintitup ( talk) 18:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Merge as appropriate to Hünegg Castle as indicated above. There is some discussion in WP:RS, although I would say that only a few of the included sources appear reliable and useful for determining notability. However, most of it appears to be WP:ROUTINE coverage. As it was a temporary exhibition, I do not see a level of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE to warrant a standalone article. -- Kinu t/ c 17:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- O.K. I will change in the next few hours after my proposal and the positive remarks of Andrew and Kinu. Preview:
Test Hünegg Castel with Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel and
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel redirect to Hünegg Castle.
Paintitup —Preceding
undated comment added 19:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Articles are changed. See also Hünegg Castle and Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel (redirect). Now I look for further pictures and information. Please be patient. Have a nice weekend.-- Paintitup ( talk) 19:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- O.K. I will change in the next few hours after my proposal and the positive remarks of Andrew and Kinu. Preview:
Test Hünegg Castel with Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel and
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel redirect to Hünegg Castle.
Paintitup —Preceding
undated comment added 19:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Hünegg Castle. slakr\ talk / 09:29, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable model railroad exhibition. Prod removed by a single purpose account. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Not-notable model railroad exhibition? This is your view user WikiDan61! Have you seen this exhibition? Are you model railroaders? Prod removed by a single purpose account? Where is the problem?-- Feliz Nuevo ( talk) 20:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC) — Feliz Nuevo ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- From my point of view Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel is a very good article! Quick and Accurate!-- Feliz Nuevo ( talk) 20:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please comment on the argument, not the arguer. Also, remember that "I like it" is not a good reason to keep an article. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note that User:Feliz Nuevo has no edits outside of the scope of this discussion. -- Kinu t/ c 17:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Notability isn't conferred by the impressiveness of the exhibition, but by signficant coverage in reliable sources. The brochure of the exhibition, or its website, or the website of the castle (which, by the way, appears to fail to mention the exhibition at all) do not count as reliable, independent sources. Find some actual sources, and the story here might change. As for my comment about "PROD removed by a single purpose account", that refers to the fact that new users who register solely for the purpose of commenting on deletion processes generally raise red flags, due to their unfamiliarity with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to the possibility that such accounts are created maliciously to subvert the deletion process. That is not the only reason such accounts are created, but it does become a factor in the deletion decision process. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 20:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- WikiDan61 your comment is nonsense! What is your contribution to this article?--
Feliz Nuevo (
talk) 20:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- My contribution is to have evaluated it as not meriting inclusion. With no reliable sources to draw on, what other contributions can I make? And please refrain from making personal attacks against other editors. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 21:14, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- WikiDan61 your comment is nonsense! What is your contribution to this article?--
Feliz Nuevo (
talk) 20:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 19:52, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Surprisingly enough, the topic technically passes the notability threshold. The exhibition received coverage in national Swiss media, including Swiss television ( [1]) and the NZZ newspaper ( [2]). However, technical notability aside, this is a temporary exhibition about a niche topic in a small country, and of exceedingly limited interest to everybody but a very few people. A mention in the article Hünegg Castle is quite enough; Wikipedia is not an events guide. What's more, the article is very incompetently written (it reads like a machine translation) and would need a complete rewrite. It doesn't look like any of the editors of the article are up to the task, and I'm not going to spend an hour recreating an article about this exceedingly trivial topic. Sandstein 20:33, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Excuse my English. Very good article. Why delete? Message in the Swiss radio and television, in the NZZ, in the magazine Eisenbahn Amateur Eisenbahn Amateur. It is one of the first exhibitions this topic completely. Mountain railways are extremely important for Switzerland (tourism, transit traffic).-- Schönegg ( talk) 10:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Just as a note, while this article may or may not cross the notability bar, nominating an article for deletion 11 minutes after creation is biting the newbies. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment The Bushranger! It is deleted too much, little motivation from others by experienced... Inappropriate statements by lack of knowledge of the subject (Sandstein), rather destructive work as constructive (Feliz Nuevo)... Look as an example at the following text in NZZ Online from 24. December 2013 about Wikipedia (unfortunately in German): www.nzz.ch Die Online-Enzyklopädie soll für Autoren attraktiver werden, weswegen diese nun ihre Beiträge als Entwürfe speichern können Wikipedia lost a lot of sympathy in the recent years.-- Schönegg ( talk) 20:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- I'd also note that "lack of knowledge of the subject" is not at all a reason to shun someone's opinion, for better or for worse, and that you need to refute the argument, not the arguer. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep! Why delete? Envious? I see no reason to delete this text in comparison with many other texts in Wikipedia! Examples:
Sexpo 2005 and
The Toy Train Depot.--
Paintitup (
talk) 19:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC) —
Paintitup (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Comment The rationale behind the nomination of this article for deletion was given at the time of nomination: it does not meet the
criteria for inclusion based on Wikipedia guidelines. Please provide a guideline-based argument for its retention.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Further to Paintitup's comments (which were updated after my first reply): you're right, those articles are pretty bad and should probably be deleted. But that's a different discussion. We're talking about
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel, and the argument that we should keep this article because
other stuff exists is a weak one.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can not understand that. Then delete first the others - smile...--
Paintitup (
talk) 19:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:WAX and
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The presence or absence of other articles, or whether or not other articles should or should not be deleted, is irrelevant to whether or not this article should be deleted. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- @The Bushranger is that all you can think to do this? I find your comments on this page a little crazy. Do you have a problem with the Switzerland? @The Bushranger and @WikiDan61: Why do you speak only by deleting the text her, and why you speak not by a transfer to the Hünegg Castle? Why do you not change the guidelines? Where is it written that guidelines kept must be strict?-- Paintitup ( talk) 06:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:WAX and
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The presence or absence of other articles, or whether or not other articles should or should not be deleted, is irrelevant to whether or not this article should be deleted. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can not understand that. Then delete first the others - smile...--
Paintitup (
talk) 19:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Further to Paintitup's comments (which were updated after my first reply): you're right, those articles are pretty bad and should probably be deleted. But that's a different discussion. We're talking about
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel, and the argument that we should keep this article because
other stuff exists is a weak one.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment The rationale behind the nomination of this article for deletion was given at the time of nomination: it does not meet the
criteria for inclusion based on Wikipedia guidelines. Please provide a guideline-based argument for its retention.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!! 19:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Paint -- this is not the venue to discuss changing the notability standards by which Wikipedia editors evaluate articles. If you wish tilt at that windmill, you should open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability. You wouldn't be the first, and likely you wouldn't be the last. As for a transfer of the text to the article about Hünegg Castle, there is already a mention of the exhibit at that article. Based on the scant coverage available for the event, I think that mention is sufficient: any expansion would have to rely on the unreliable primary sources on which the present article is based. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle ( talk) 17:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Boys always want to stage train wrecks with their model railways! :) There are obvious alternatives to deletion such as a merger into Hünegg Castle and so our editing policy applies. Andrew ( talk) 20:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- Not only boys. Girls also! And now train wrecks! Objects of cultural value! Smile. To move the text to the Castle Hünegg is imaginable. However, this should make those no want independent articlebecause of the crazy paragraphs. Don't think this is not really clever. This can end like in en monster article. As example: Trolleybus (German). @Andrew: When Boys always want to stage train wrecks with their model railways do not make anything more stupid. Hang about, to fume cigar form Cuba, write article in Wikipedia…-- Paintitup ( talk) 18:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Merge as appropriate to Hünegg Castle as indicated above. There is some discussion in WP:RS, although I would say that only a few of the included sources appear reliable and useful for determining notability. However, most of it appears to be WP:ROUTINE coverage. As it was a temporary exhibition, I do not see a level of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE to warrant a standalone article. -- Kinu t/ c 17:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- O.K. I will change in the next few hours after my proposal and the positive remarks of Andrew and Kinu. Preview:
Test Hünegg Castel with Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel and
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel redirect to Hünegg Castle.
Paintitup —Preceding
undated comment added 19:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Articles are changed. See also Hünegg Castle and Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel (redirect). Now I look for further pictures and information. Please be patient. Have a nice weekend.-- Paintitup ( talk) 19:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- O.K. I will change in the next few hours after my proposal and the positive remarks of Andrew and Kinu. Preview:
Test Hünegg Castel with Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel and
Mountain railways special exhibition in the Hünegg Castel redirect to Hünegg Castle.
Paintitup —Preceding
undated comment added 19:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.