The result was no consensus. It has been a month and opinions continue to differ. I do not see a consensus emerging. Star Mississippi 19:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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It is not clearly established that this is a name or even alternative name for the collection of mountains in question in common English usage. The term, variously linked to the Hindu Kush, Pamir, Tian Shan and Zagros mountains does not seem to be based on serious geographical works, but rather consists of WP:SYNTH combining real place names with unsupported ancient Greek etymologies and suppositions based on a single ancient Armenian map, which when viewed, does not even appear to display the name in its English translation. It is unclear where most of the largely unverifiable information is coming from. The name "Imeon" does not even appear to be present in most of the sources. Iskandar323 ( talk) 15:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
"Several different views exist on the location of Imeon. It could be the Tian Shan, Pamir, Pamir and Tian Shan, or the entire mountain range of the Tian Shan...- one way or another, it seems to be in the Roof of the World ballpark. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: There is no consensus to delete this article so the debate is whether it is more appropriate to Keep or Redirect this article. Please no further speculation about editor's motivations but it would be counter-productive to remove sourced content from an article undergoing a review.
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22:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Source | Significant? | Independent? | Reliable? | Secondary? | Pass/Fail | Notes |
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the map source | This reconstructed map certainly mentions an Emavon, but no source has been provided to connect Emavon to Imeon - the two might be the same, but without a source asserting this, it is WP:OR. A 7th-century map is also primary. | |||||
The Geography of Ananias of Sirak | No page number is provided. 467 is the number of pages. I found an archive.org copy of the work, but it is impossible to determine what the reference might be without reading the whole book. It is primary text with commentary. | |||||
Silk Road, North China - history blog | Does not mention the subject by name. About the region in general. Pure WP:SYNTH. | |||||
The Travels of Marco Polo, Vol. 1. | Does not mention the subject by name. About the region in general. Pure WP:SYNTH. | |||||
History of the Armenians. | No page number has been provided and the subject does not appear in a search of the text. More likely WP:SYNTH. | |||||
SCAR Composite Gazetteer of Antarctica | Not about the subject but the name of a mountain range on Smith Island (South Shetland Islands), named after what it attests as the Bulgarian name for a mountain in the present day Pamir and Hindu Kush. One sentence. Pretty trivial. | |||||
(in references but not cited) US gov source | Has one line noting the Mount Imeon area as being in the "present Hindu Kush in northern Afghanistan". Trivial. | |||||
(in references but not cited) misc web source | Web source of unclear provenance. Mentions "in the Pamirs and the Hindu Kush around Mount Imai." - I assume this is the reference. Trivial. Again, no source attests that this name is the same name ( WP:OR). | |||||
(in references but not cited) link to a book contents page | Links to contents page with no page number referenced. Again, impossible to assess without reading the work, as with the other unreferenced, unlinked sourced. | |||||
Total qualifying sources | 0 | There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements
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“ | One source of the Amu Darya is the Pamir River, which emerges from Lake Zorkul in the Great Pamir Mountain ofAfghanistan (ancient Mount Imeon) East Turkestan to China Sea ca {7,500km} and flowing west to Qila-e Panja. [6] | ” |
“ | ... from one of the northernmost provinces under the rule of the Pathans or Mughals, close to the great Mount Imeon, which runs from the Caspian Sea eastward to the eastern Indian Ocean, and which separates Tatary224 from India. [7] | ” |
“ | The Marco Polo sheep is named for the explorer, who described the species during his crossing of Pamir (ancient Mount Imeon) in 1271. Ovis means sheep and ammon is a derivative of Amun, the ancient Egyptian god who was depicted as ... [8] | ” |
“ | In the second century A.D., the Bulgars came to Europe from their old homeland, the Kingdom of Balhara situated in the Mount Imeon area (present Hindu Kush in northern Afghanistan). The first Bulgarian state was established in 635 A.D., ... [9] | ” |
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Relisting comment: I am going to give this a relist due to the source analysis
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14:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
The result was no consensus. It has been a month and opinions continue to differ. I do not see a consensus emerging. Star Mississippi 19:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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It is not clearly established that this is a name or even alternative name for the collection of mountains in question in common English usage. The term, variously linked to the Hindu Kush, Pamir, Tian Shan and Zagros mountains does not seem to be based on serious geographical works, but rather consists of WP:SYNTH combining real place names with unsupported ancient Greek etymologies and suppositions based on a single ancient Armenian map, which when viewed, does not even appear to display the name in its English translation. It is unclear where most of the largely unverifiable information is coming from. The name "Imeon" does not even appear to be present in most of the sources. Iskandar323 ( talk) 15:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
"Several different views exist on the location of Imeon. It could be the Tian Shan, Pamir, Pamir and Tian Shan, or the entire mountain range of the Tian Shan...- one way or another, it seems to be in the Roof of the World ballpark. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Liz
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20:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is no consensus to delete this article so the debate is whether it is more appropriate to Keep or Redirect this article. Please no further speculation about editor's motivations but it would be counter-productive to remove sourced content from an article undergoing a review.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Liz
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Talk!
22:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Source | Significant? | Independent? | Reliable? | Secondary? | Pass/Fail | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
the map source | This reconstructed map certainly mentions an Emavon, but no source has been provided to connect Emavon to Imeon - the two might be the same, but without a source asserting this, it is WP:OR. A 7th-century map is also primary. | |||||
The Geography of Ananias of Sirak | No page number is provided. 467 is the number of pages. I found an archive.org copy of the work, but it is impossible to determine what the reference might be without reading the whole book. It is primary text with commentary. | |||||
Silk Road, North China - history blog | Does not mention the subject by name. About the region in general. Pure WP:SYNTH. | |||||
The Travels of Marco Polo, Vol. 1. | Does not mention the subject by name. About the region in general. Pure WP:SYNTH. | |||||
History of the Armenians. | No page number has been provided and the subject does not appear in a search of the text. More likely WP:SYNTH. | |||||
SCAR Composite Gazetteer of Antarctica | Not about the subject but the name of a mountain range on Smith Island (South Shetland Islands), named after what it attests as the Bulgarian name for a mountain in the present day Pamir and Hindu Kush. One sentence. Pretty trivial. | |||||
(in references but not cited) US gov source | Has one line noting the Mount Imeon area as being in the "present Hindu Kush in northern Afghanistan". Trivial. | |||||
(in references but not cited) misc web source | Web source of unclear provenance. Mentions "in the Pamirs and the Hindu Kush around Mount Imai." - I assume this is the reference. Trivial. Again, no source attests that this name is the same name ( WP:OR). | |||||
(in references but not cited) link to a book contents page | Links to contents page with no page number referenced. Again, impossible to assess without reading the work, as with the other unreferenced, unlinked sourced. | |||||
Total qualifying sources | 0 | There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements
|
“ | One source of the Amu Darya is the Pamir River, which emerges from Lake Zorkul in the Great Pamir Mountain ofAfghanistan (ancient Mount Imeon) East Turkestan to China Sea ca {7,500km} and flowing west to Qila-e Panja. [6] | ” |
“ | ... from one of the northernmost provinces under the rule of the Pathans or Mughals, close to the great Mount Imeon, which runs from the Caspian Sea eastward to the eastern Indian Ocean, and which separates Tatary224 from India. [7] | ” |
“ | The Marco Polo sheep is named for the explorer, who described the species during his crossing of Pamir (ancient Mount Imeon) in 1271. Ovis means sheep and ammon is a derivative of Amun, the ancient Egyptian god who was depicted as ... [8] | ” |
“ | In the second century A.D., the Bulgars came to Europe from their old homeland, the Kingdom of Balhara situated in the Mount Imeon area (present Hindu Kush in northern Afghanistan). The first Bulgarian state was established in 635 A.D., ... [9] | ” |
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am going to give this a relist due to the source analysis
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Guerillero
Parlez Moi
14:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)