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The result was delete. Unlike the previous AFD, i think there is a clear source analysis here and a consensus to Delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 01:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result of the previous AfD was no consensus. Still fails WP:SIGCOV - PR-based articles are unacceptable. US-Verified ( talk) 19:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)- Weak delete - doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG or anything else really. Perhaps there are more Arabic sources, however, from reading his article and news sources, it seems like if anything deserved an article, it would be his company, not himself. - Knightoftheswords281 ( Talk · Contribs) 23:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep the article has credible references from times of oman, muscat daily, entreprenuer, gilf news, national.ae, forbes and CEO magazine. (
Khonsuhorus (
talk)
09:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC))
- Forbes is a paid piece, the "witch" as you say spent money to get promoted. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- But they're not in-depth. US-Verified ( talk) 23:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Paid pieces, PR work and fluff, not much else can be found. This appears to be more of the same PR exercise. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Times of Oman and Oman times news is generally enough to establish notability for Oman based article. (
196.132.47.107 (
talk)
07:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC))
- comment There are four pieces that are labeled "Times of Oman" or "Oman Times". One is reproducing a press release and the other three are links to bitwize.com.lb that don't contain the supposed cited content. Oblivy ( talk) 02:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Khonsuhorus has been promoting this subject for over a year now. They initiated this draft in April 2022, and the majority of their work is related to this biography. If they are unable to find in-depth sources, then it is clear there is no substantial coverage of this person in his local language. Please discount IP votes. US-Verified ( talk) 23:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since the closure on the previous AFD closure on this article was overturned last month (see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 May 9), I'm relisting this discussion to get a more solid consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. See previous comment. The last AFD ended up at Deletion review and this one looks like it might also close as No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Sourcing in the article does not seem to meet GNG, see table below — siro χ o 03:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by
User:siroxo
| ||||
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Business Year: Oman 2021/22 |  interview
|
? | 
|
✘ No |
| Entrepreneur.com | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Forbes ME | Disclosed as "Paid Program"
|
|
|
✘ No |
| The CEO Mag | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Muscat Daily - COVID-19 (listed twice) | interivew
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| eme outlook mag | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| menafn | disclaimer on site
|
disclaimer on site
|
~ | ✘ No |
| Time of Oman "MHD rolls out bouquet" | ~ partly interview, general phrasing is that of press release not an article eg "When price, safety and performance come into play, there is no better choice than Volvo cars." and so on | ? | not about subject
|
✘ No |
| Times of Oman "MHD ACERE reversing trend..." | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Times of Oman "MHD chief optimistic on market recovery" | interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Times of Oman "MHD ACERE signs agreement with Chedi Muscat" | interviews
|
? | covering a business deal
|
✘ No |
| middleeastawards.ceotodaymagazine | ? | ? | nothing in the 2022 edition about subject
|
✘ No |
| Arabian Business. "How MHD ACERE is helping to create" | ? | ? | just a photo
|
✘ No |
| businessconnectindia | "Lounge interview" article
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Middle East Business | interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Arabian Business. | ? no author, not even the magazine, written like self-promotion, not sure how "GCC Young Achievers 2021" works | ? |
|
? Unknown |
| Oman Observer "Al Amerat Club" (listed twice) |
|
? | ~ one of several individuals elected unopposed for varying leadership positions for a cricket club | ? Unknown |
| Arabian Stories "MHD appoints Mohsin Hani Al Bahrani as CEO of ACERE" | interview, press release, "TAS also focuses on digital media marketing, branding ... "
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Arabian Stories "Mohsin Hani Al Bahrani in Forbes Middle East’s 30 Under 30 list" (listed twice) | "TAS also focuses on digital media marketing, branding ... ", also seems to rely on subject's linkedin for info
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| OERLive | video of subject speaking
|
? | ? | ✘ No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. | ||||
- Keep On account of his prominent position, stature in Oman and Middle East and Arabic sources as well as English
( Contentpie ( talk) 04:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC))
- Delete As explained in the above table, WP:GNG has not been met. -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk) 13:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per table and PR fluff/paid articles. There is a serious issue with this in general: resume article with self-report / PR coverage only. Chamaemelum ( talk) 01:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The content of the article is unacceptably promotional, and the refbomb to PR sources and interviews typical of these articles does not change that. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 10:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- The subject or rather his company MHD ACERE might qualify for having an article eventually in my opinion, but can or should probably start over in draft form. - Indefensible ( talk) 18:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Unlike the previous AFD, i think there is a clear source analysis here and a consensus to Delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 01:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
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- Mohsin Hani ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The result of the previous AfD was no consensus. Still fails WP:SIGCOV - PR-based articles are unacceptable. US-Verified ( talk) 19:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Oman. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:27, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)- Weak delete - doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG or anything else really. Perhaps there are more Arabic sources, however, from reading his article and news sources, it seems like if anything deserved an article, it would be his company, not himself. - Knightoftheswords281 ( Talk · Contribs) 23:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep the article has credible references from times of oman, muscat daily, entreprenuer, gilf news, national.ae, forbes and CEO magazine. (
Khonsuhorus (
talk)
09:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC))
- Forbes is a paid piece, the "witch" as you say spent money to get promoted. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- But they're not in-depth. US-Verified ( talk) 23:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Paid pieces, PR work and fluff, not much else can be found. This appears to be more of the same PR exercise. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Times of Oman and Oman times news is generally enough to establish notability for Oman based article. (
196.132.47.107 (
talk)
07:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC))
- comment There are four pieces that are labeled "Times of Oman" or "Oman Times". One is reproducing a press release and the other three are links to bitwize.com.lb that don't contain the supposed cited content. Oblivy ( talk) 02:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Khonsuhorus has been promoting this subject for over a year now. They initiated this draft in April 2022, and the majority of their work is related to this biography. If they are unable to find in-depth sources, then it is clear there is no substantial coverage of this person in his local language. Please discount IP votes. US-Verified ( talk) 23:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since the closure on the previous AFD closure on this article was overturned last month (see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 May 9), I'm relisting this discussion to get a more solid consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. See previous comment. The last AFD ended up at Deletion review and this one looks like it might also close as No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Sourcing in the article does not seem to meet GNG, see table below — siro χ o 03:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by
User:siroxo
| ||||
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Business Year: Oman 2021/22 | interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Entrepreneur.com | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Forbes ME | Disclosed as "Paid Program"
|
|
|
✘ No |
| The CEO Mag | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Muscat Daily - COVID-19 (listed twice) | interivew
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| eme outlook mag | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| menafn | disclaimer on site
|
disclaimer on site
|
~ | ✘ No |
| Time of Oman "MHD rolls out bouquet" | ~ partly interview, general phrasing is that of press release not an article eg "When price, safety and performance come into play, there is no better choice than Volvo cars." and so on | ? | not about subject
|
✘ No |
| Times of Oman "MHD ACERE reversing trend..." | primarily interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Times of Oman "MHD chief optimistic on market recovery" | interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Times of Oman "MHD ACERE signs agreement with Chedi Muscat" | interviews
|
? | covering a business deal
|
✘ No |
| middleeastawards.ceotodaymagazine | ? | ? | nothing in the 2022 edition about subject
|
✘ No |
| Arabian Business. "How MHD ACERE is helping to create" | ? | ? | just a photo
|
✘ No |
| businessconnectindia | "Lounge interview" article
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Middle East Business | interview
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Arabian Business. | ? no author, not even the magazine, written like self-promotion, not sure how "GCC Young Achievers 2021" works | ? |
|
? Unknown |
| Oman Observer "Al Amerat Club" (listed twice) |
|
? | ~ one of several individuals elected unopposed for varying leadership positions for a cricket club | ? Unknown |
| Arabian Stories "MHD appoints Mohsin Hani Al Bahrani as CEO of ACERE" | interview, press release, "TAS also focuses on digital media marketing, branding ... "
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| Arabian Stories "Mohsin Hani Al Bahrani in Forbes Middle East’s 30 Under 30 list" (listed twice) | "TAS also focuses on digital media marketing, branding ... ", also seems to rely on subject's linkedin for info
|
? |
|
✘ No |
| OERLive | video of subject speaking
|
? | ? | ✘ No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. | ||||
- Keep On account of his prominent position, stature in Oman and Middle East and Arabic sources as well as English
( Contentpie ( talk) 04:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC))
- Delete As explained in the above table, WP:GNG has not been met. -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk) 13:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per table and PR fluff/paid articles. There is a serious issue with this in general: resume article with self-report / PR coverage only. Chamaemelum ( talk) 01:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The content of the article is unacceptably promotional, and the refbomb to PR sources and interviews typical of these articles does not change that. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 10:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- The subject or rather his company MHD ACERE might qualify for having an article eventually in my opinion, but can or should probably start over in draft form. - Indefensible ( talk) 18:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.