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The result was no consensus. There is a fundamental disagreement over whether WP:NPOL is met and whether it applies to those who are not elected to their positions. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Mohammed Mustapha Namadi
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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Nigeria. UtherSRG (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Question: He appears to be a cabinet minister at the state level. Doesn't that pass
WP:NPOL?
Лисан аль-Гаиб (
talk) 14:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Usually for a WP:NPOL presumption of notability, the person would have to hold an elected office. Here, it looks like he held state-wide appointed office. While the appointed office is strong evidence of notability, I don't the the community usually interprets it as meeting WP:NPOL's presumption of notability. TulsaPoliticsFan ( talk) 17:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep There's no requirement for elected office in WP:NPOL - cabinet members in presidential systems at a state level in a federal entity satisfy NPOL. See for example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kulu Abdullahi Sifawa. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 06:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 15:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- delete. "presumption of notability" simply means that the page not deleted outright. The policy says that may be deleted if
if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found
. Here I see no significnt coverage: the refs cited are some random events - Altenmann >talk 15:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC) - Delete While the governor of each state is elected, the commissioners seem to take the role of appointed civil servants and thus don't meet the qualifying criteria at WP:NPOL. The article also doesn't meet GNG so should be deleted. Willbb234 16:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn. Commissioners are equivalents to state-level cabinet ministers, and as such notable. -- Soman ( talk) 09:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Would like to see some evidence of actual presence or absence of sourcing more broadly, on either side
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 00:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO, isn't covered by WP:NPOL due to not being elected. JML1148 ( talk | contribs) 06:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)- @
JML1148 there's no provision in NPOL that excludes appointees. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 20:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Goldsztajn: See TulsaPoliticsFan's comment above.
JML1148 (
talk |
contribs) 06:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @ JML1148 See my !vote and the reference to an earlier AfD discussion on a Nigerian state-level Commissioner. NPOL accords presumed notability to officials of state/province level in federal systems whether elected or appointed. A US example: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Johnson (Alaska politician). Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 08:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Goldsztajn: See TulsaPoliticsFan's comment above.
JML1148 (
talk |
contribs) 06:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
JML1148 there's no provision in NPOL that excludes appointees. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 20:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn. Figbiscuits ( talk) 08:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)}} Blocked user. JML1148 ( talk | contribs) 06:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete fails in WP:NPOL. Worldiswide ( talk) 03:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Echoing Eddie891's request for analysis of sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:54, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn as the subject satisfy WP:NPROF and WP:NPOL. Ei'eke ( talk) 19:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. There is a fundamental disagreement over whether WP:NPOL is met and whether it applies to those who are not elected to their positions. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Mohammed Mustapha Namadi
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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Nigeria. UtherSRG (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Question: He appears to be a cabinet minister at the state level. Doesn't that pass
WP:NPOL?
Лисан аль-Гаиб (
talk) 14:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Usually for a WP:NPOL presumption of notability, the person would have to hold an elected office. Here, it looks like he held state-wide appointed office. While the appointed office is strong evidence of notability, I don't the the community usually interprets it as meeting WP:NPOL's presumption of notability. TulsaPoliticsFan ( talk) 17:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep There's no requirement for elected office in WP:NPOL - cabinet members in presidential systems at a state level in a federal entity satisfy NPOL. See for example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kulu Abdullahi Sifawa. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 06:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 15:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- delete. "presumption of notability" simply means that the page not deleted outright. The policy says that may be deleted if
if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found
. Here I see no significnt coverage: the refs cited are some random events - Altenmann >talk 15:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC) - Delete While the governor of each state is elected, the commissioners seem to take the role of appointed civil servants and thus don't meet the qualifying criteria at WP:NPOL. The article also doesn't meet GNG so should be deleted. Willbb234 16:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn. Commissioners are equivalents to state-level cabinet ministers, and as such notable. -- Soman ( talk) 09:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Would like to see some evidence of actual presence or absence of sourcing more broadly, on either side
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 00:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO, isn't covered by WP:NPOL due to not being elected. JML1148 ( talk | contribs) 06:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)- @
JML1148 there's no provision in NPOL that excludes appointees. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 20:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Goldsztajn: See TulsaPoliticsFan's comment above.
JML1148 (
talk |
contribs) 06:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @ JML1148 See my !vote and the reference to an earlier AfD discussion on a Nigerian state-level Commissioner. NPOL accords presumed notability to officials of state/province level in federal systems whether elected or appointed. A US example: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Johnson (Alaska politician). Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 08:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Goldsztajn: See TulsaPoliticsFan's comment above.
JML1148 (
talk |
contribs) 06:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
JML1148 there's no provision in NPOL that excludes appointees. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 20:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn. Figbiscuits ( talk) 08:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)}} Blocked user. JML1148 ( talk | contribs) 06:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete fails in WP:NPOL. Worldiswide ( talk) 03:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Echoing Eddie891's request for analysis of sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:54, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn as the subject satisfy WP:NPROF and WP:NPOL. Ei'eke ( talk) 19:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.