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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 08:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Mohammad Reza Tonekaboni
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Completely unreferenced biography, orphan and not notable. Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 15:51, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- This was not completely unreferenced before the nominator removed the references. I can't speak for the reliability of those sources, but they were cited in the article. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 16:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- They were removed because they were NOT WP:RS. -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 23:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry. I made the assumption that you didn't read Persian and were not familiar with Iranian web sites. As you clearly do and are, could you please explain to the rest of us what led you to the conclusion that none of these was a reliable source? And, even if you don't consider them reliable, you shouldn't say "completely unreferenced" but "unreliably referenced", and to delete from the article the very sources that should be discussed here appears very much like you are approaching this discussion as a battleground rather than a discussion about the available sources. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete: WP:TNT, fails WP:PROF and current sourcing gives no more than passing mentions of him as a teacher to the actual subject in those sources. Previous sourcing seems of dubious reliability (e.g. wikifeqh). In fact, this looks like WP:A7 material; being an ayatollah is does not inherently make one notable, just as being a professor does not make one notable. -- HyperGaruda ( talk) 04:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- It might not inherently make one notable, but it is an indication of importance or significance, which is the test for WP:A7. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as it's clear to say these are not easy subjects for AfD here, but given there's simply nothing else actually better and what's listed currently is nowhere near substantiating a convincing article, regardless of what else may be available therefore delete. SwisterTwister talk 00:06, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cavarrone 07:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cavarrone 07:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete WP:TNT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.93.109.114 ( talk) 14:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
- WP:TNT is a highly disputed essay that has no basis in Wikipedia policies or guidelines. If an article needs rewriting then that can be done by any editor without an admin hitting the "delete" button first. Maybe this should be deleted, but any decision to do so should be founded on policy. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 21:51, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 08:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Mohammad Reza Tonekaboni
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Completely unreferenced biography, orphan and not notable. Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 15:51, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- This was not completely unreferenced before the nominator removed the references. I can't speak for the reliability of those sources, but they were cited in the article. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 16:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- They were removed because they were NOT WP:RS. -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 23:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry. I made the assumption that you didn't read Persian and were not familiar with Iranian web sites. As you clearly do and are, could you please explain to the rest of us what led you to the conclusion that none of these was a reliable source? And, even if you don't consider them reliable, you shouldn't say "completely unreferenced" but "unreliably referenced", and to delete from the article the very sources that should be discussed here appears very much like you are approaching this discussion as a battleground rather than a discussion about the available sources. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. clpo13( talk) 23:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. clpo13( talk) 23:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. clpo13( talk) 23:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:TNT, fails WP:PROF and current sourcing gives no more than passing mentions of him as a teacher to the actual subject in those sources. Previous sourcing seems of dubious reliability (e.g. wikifeqh). In fact, this looks like WP:A7 material; being an ayatollah is does not inherently make one notable, just as being a professor does not make one notable. -- HyperGaruda ( talk) 04:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- It might not inherently make one notable, but it is an indication of importance or significance, which is the test for WP:A7. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as it's clear to say these are not easy subjects for AfD here, but given there's simply nothing else actually better and what's listed currently is nowhere near substantiating a convincing article, regardless of what else may be available therefore delete. SwisterTwister talk 00:06, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cavarrone 07:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cavarrone 07:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete WP:TNT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.93.109.114 ( talk) 14:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
- WP:TNT is a highly disputed essay that has no basis in Wikipedia policies or guidelines. If an article needs rewriting then that can be done by any editor without an admin hitting the "delete" button first. Maybe this should be deleted, but any decision to do so should be founded on policy. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 21:51, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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