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The result was redirect all. (non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 08:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Mmm Papi
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Fail WP:NSONGS. Most content of these articles is derived from album reviews, and per notability guideline, a song should not have an article if most of its coverage occurs in the context of album reviews/discussions. For those citing chart positions as a reason to keep: NSONGS does not say that chart positions automatically warrant notability. What is essential of songs articles is third-party coverage, which these articles all lack.
- The only third-party coverage I see is an Idolator source for "Unusual You", which alone could not construct a detailed article. For "Inside Out" and "Drop Dead", the only coverage is from MTV (including the gossip blog MTV Buzzworthy) on the leak/snippet release of the songs, which does not offer in-depth analysis on the song's significance (in terms of music/lyrics) on its own. HĐ ( talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. HĐ ( talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. 02:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC) HĐ ( talk) 02:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- " Mmm Papi" does have some coverage outside album reviews; the article currently has citations to interviews with the songwriters, but I am uncertain if those citations alone are enough to qualify for significant coverage or if they count as third-party since they are interviews. I would redirect all to their parent articles (i.e. Circus and Femme Fatale) as I agree that the coverage just does not appear to be there. Aoba47 ( talk) 16:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The article that covers Mmm Papi [1] does not mention the song's particular musical production i.e. arrangement/instruments, but rather just generic discussion on "vocals" and lyrics. That does not warrant notability to me, HĐ ( talk) 03:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect all. Most of them barely charted or didn't chart at all. When they did, it was in the lower regions of these charts. None of the mentioned songs made an impact in the media, none were analyzed by major media brands. They all fail to meet the notability guidelines. AngelOfDestiny ( talk) 12:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - part of this AfD is poorly formed. On the Songs AfD page "(Drop Dead) Beautiful)" and "Inside Out" link to a previous AfD (both of which had a consensus to keep), so that people who want to discuss deleting those songs are being directed to the wrong page, and those previous AfDs are not being linked here, so people can see that consensus and the reasons for it. Rlendog ( talk) 14:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Rlendog: I am not seeing the archived AfDs in the articles' talk pages. I also searched for them but apparently the previous AfDs do not exist... Could you add the links if you happen to know where the links are? HĐ ( talk) 16:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- I may have been mistaken as to what the issue is. Actually, when you go to the AfD song page those have separate AfDs listed. But when you click on those links you are taken to the 1st "Mmm Papi" AfD, rather than to here. Rlendog ( talk) 19:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I have yet to understand what you are trying to say... But if I am correct, AfD allows for multiple articles to be nominated at the same time.I think they are properly linked now... HĐ ( talk) 04:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I try to go to the "Inside Out (Britney Spears song)" or "(Drop Dead) Beautiful" AfDs from the "discussion" link on the article alert page, I still go to the old Mmm Papi AfD page which closed as keep. Rlendog ( talk) 14:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- There may have been a glitch in the system... I usually don't rely much on article alerts. But I can assure that the link to this AFD on the article's pages is correct. HĐ ( talk) 12:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect The subject seems to fail WP:GNG and lack significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. Bionic ( talk) 12:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gobonobo + c 18:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gobonobo + c 18:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Gobonobo: May I ask why a discussion with three votes to redirect, which is hardly controversial for songs discussions, has been relisted? HĐ ( talk) 02:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
HĐ: As was previously noted, some of the initial AfD templates pointed to the wrong deletion discussions, so the primary reason for relisting is to provide additional time for those who may have been misled to believe that the result was already determined. Additionally, given this is a batch nomination of five good articles (
) whose rationale hangs on a narrow interpretation of an NSONG clause, I'm inclined to give the community more time for discussion.
gobonobo
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c
03:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
HĐ: As was previously noted, some of the initial AfD templates pointed to the wrong deletion discussions, so the primary reason for relisting is to provide additional time for those who may have been misled to believe that the result was already determined. Additionally, given this is a batch nomination of five good articles (
- Like I wrote before, all these songs fail to meet the notability guidelines, and there are no deeper analyzes of them. Charts are barely mentioned in the articles; two of these songs charted only on Billboard Pop 100, which is a defunct chart since 2009. All should be redirected. AngelOfDestiny ( talk) 15:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect all - as mentioned by others, all these have going for them is some album reviews and low chart positions. Foxnpichu ( talk) 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect all. No significant coverage/notability independent of the album. Heartfox ( talk) 19:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect all. (non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 08:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Mmm Papi
AfDs for this article:
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- Mmm Papi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Out from Under ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Unusual You ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Inside Out (Britney Spears song) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- (Drop Dead) Beautiful ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fail WP:NSONGS. Most content of these articles is derived from album reviews, and per notability guideline, a song should not have an article if most of its coverage occurs in the context of album reviews/discussions. For those citing chart positions as a reason to keep: NSONGS does not say that chart positions automatically warrant notability. What is essential of songs articles is third-party coverage, which these articles all lack.
- The only third-party coverage I see is an Idolator source for "Unusual You", which alone could not construct a detailed article. For "Inside Out" and "Drop Dead", the only coverage is from MTV (including the gossip blog MTV Buzzworthy) on the leak/snippet release of the songs, which does not offer in-depth analysis on the song's significance (in terms of music/lyrics) on its own. HĐ ( talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. HĐ ( talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. 02:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC) HĐ ( talk) 02:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- " Mmm Papi" does have some coverage outside album reviews; the article currently has citations to interviews with the songwriters, but I am uncertain if those citations alone are enough to qualify for significant coverage or if they count as third-party since they are interviews. I would redirect all to their parent articles (i.e. Circus and Femme Fatale) as I agree that the coverage just does not appear to be there. Aoba47 ( talk) 16:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The article that covers Mmm Papi [1] does not mention the song's particular musical production i.e. arrangement/instruments, but rather just generic discussion on "vocals" and lyrics. That does not warrant notability to me, HĐ ( talk) 03:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect all. Most of them barely charted or didn't chart at all. When they did, it was in the lower regions of these charts. None of the mentioned songs made an impact in the media, none were analyzed by major media brands. They all fail to meet the notability guidelines. AngelOfDestiny ( talk) 12:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - part of this AfD is poorly formed. On the Songs AfD page "(Drop Dead) Beautiful)" and "Inside Out" link to a previous AfD (both of which had a consensus to keep), so that people who want to discuss deleting those songs are being directed to the wrong page, and those previous AfDs are not being linked here, so people can see that consensus and the reasons for it. Rlendog ( talk) 14:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Rlendog: I am not seeing the archived AfDs in the articles' talk pages. I also searched for them but apparently the previous AfDs do not exist... Could you add the links if you happen to know where the links are? HĐ ( talk) 16:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- I may have been mistaken as to what the issue is. Actually, when you go to the AfD song page those have separate AfDs listed. But when you click on those links you are taken to the 1st "Mmm Papi" AfD, rather than to here. Rlendog ( talk) 19:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I have yet to understand what you are trying to say... But if I am correct, AfD allows for multiple articles to be nominated at the same time.I think they are properly linked now... HĐ ( talk) 04:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I try to go to the "Inside Out (Britney Spears song)" or "(Drop Dead) Beautiful" AfDs from the "discussion" link on the article alert page, I still go to the old Mmm Papi AfD page which closed as keep. Rlendog ( talk) 14:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- There may have been a glitch in the system... I usually don't rely much on article alerts. But I can assure that the link to this AFD on the article's pages is correct. HĐ ( talk) 12:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect The subject seems to fail WP:GNG and lack significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. Bionic ( talk) 12:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gobonobo + c 18:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gobonobo + c 18:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Gobonobo: May I ask why a discussion with three votes to redirect, which is hardly controversial for songs discussions, has been relisted? HĐ ( talk) 02:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
HĐ: As was previously noted, some of the initial AfD templates pointed to the wrong deletion discussions, so the primary reason for relisting is to provide additional time for those who may have been misled to believe that the result was already determined. Additionally, given this is a batch nomination of five good articles (
) whose rationale hangs on a narrow interpretation of an NSONG clause, I'm inclined to give the community more time for discussion.
gobonobo
+
c
03:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
HĐ: As was previously noted, some of the initial AfD templates pointed to the wrong deletion discussions, so the primary reason for relisting is to provide additional time for those who may have been misled to believe that the result was already determined. Additionally, given this is a batch nomination of five good articles (
- Like I wrote before, all these songs fail to meet the notability guidelines, and there are no deeper analyzes of them. Charts are barely mentioned in the articles; two of these songs charted only on Billboard Pop 100, which is a defunct chart since 2009. All should be redirected. AngelOfDestiny ( talk) 15:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect all - as mentioned by others, all these have going for them is some album reviews and low chart positions. Foxnpichu ( talk) 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect all. No significant coverage/notability independent of the album. Heartfox ( talk) 19:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.