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The result was keep. Stifle ( talk) 12:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Subject not shown to meet general notability guideline. Sources shown are two Telemetro items of 253 words and 190 words, and one Critica item of 146 words; then there is a supposed Instagram post which is also a dead link. According to my WP:BEFORE scan, this title seems to get next to no attention outside of its home country. PROD contested by creator. ☆ Bri ( talk) 00:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Beauty pageants and Panama. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 19:36, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep:The contest in question was a national event held to choose a winner of one of the most renowned international contests such as Miss World, I see no reason to eliminate it when the sources and links that give truth to said event are mentioned, In wikipedia there are many articles about beauty pageants, especially Miss World, if it were to be eliminated, each one of them should be eliminated for all countries. And if it is necessary to add more sources that corroborate said event, it can be done because many media covered said election. If you consider it is not relevant, then you should eliminate the same for all countries such as Venezuela, Colombia or Miss Mexico where it is a national event. It was a remarkable event and because someone considers that for her or him it is not, especially if he is a stranger to this kind of national event, it is not the same for everyone, the article reports on who participated and how the winner was chosen. Evanex ( talk) 8:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- You might want to read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And for the evaluation of this debate, notability is not inherited, making your other argument that it is "one of the most renowned international contests" moot. ☆ Bri ( talk) 01:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 22:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The "no attention outside of its home country" isn't a problem. In addition to the ongoing coverage from Telemetro over several months, the article from Critica appears to be editorially independent (though at first I thought it wasn't). WP:GNG is met, barely. Thparkth ( talk) 15:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep
(conditional)- my view could change depending on answers to my final point below.The originator of this article Evanex has also created pages for previous years' Miss Panama contests that have not attracted an AfD request even though the sources are similar to those here. I note that the proposer of this AfD Bri deleted substantial parts of the present article's text using Wikipedia:Verifiability as justification, prior to proposing this AfD, restored, then deleted again thus making the article a stub. My view is that a template request for more reliable sources would have been and remains more appropriate than deletion. I agree with Thparkth that "no attention outside of its home country" doesn't make the article non-notable per se. However, the live sources are written in Spanish not English. Does this impact on notability for the article being included in the English language Wikipedia? Rupples ( talk) 21:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)- OK. Now found WP:NONENG so will strike out condition Rupples ( talk) 15:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Stifle ( talk) 12:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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- Miss World Panamá 2022 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Subject not shown to meet general notability guideline. Sources shown are two Telemetro items of 253 words and 190 words, and one Critica item of 146 words; then there is a supposed Instagram post which is also a dead link. According to my WP:BEFORE scan, this title seems to get next to no attention outside of its home country. PROD contested by creator. ☆ Bri ( talk) 00:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Beauty pageants and Panama. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 19:36, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep:The contest in question was a national event held to choose a winner of one of the most renowned international contests such as Miss World, I see no reason to eliminate it when the sources and links that give truth to said event are mentioned, In wikipedia there are many articles about beauty pageants, especially Miss World, if it were to be eliminated, each one of them should be eliminated for all countries. And if it is necessary to add more sources that corroborate said event, it can be done because many media covered said election. If you consider it is not relevant, then you should eliminate the same for all countries such as Venezuela, Colombia or Miss Mexico where it is a national event. It was a remarkable event and because someone considers that for her or him it is not, especially if he is a stranger to this kind of national event, it is not the same for everyone, the article reports on who participated and how the winner was chosen. Evanex ( talk) 8:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- You might want to read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And for the evaluation of this debate, notability is not inherited, making your other argument that it is "one of the most renowned international contests" moot. ☆ Bri ( talk) 01:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 22:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The "no attention outside of its home country" isn't a problem. In addition to the ongoing coverage from Telemetro over several months, the article from Critica appears to be editorially independent (though at first I thought it wasn't). WP:GNG is met, barely. Thparkth ( talk) 15:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep
(conditional)- my view could change depending on answers to my final point below.The originator of this article Evanex has also created pages for previous years' Miss Panama contests that have not attracted an AfD request even though the sources are similar to those here. I note that the proposer of this AfD Bri deleted substantial parts of the present article's text using Wikipedia:Verifiability as justification, prior to proposing this AfD, restored, then deleted again thus making the article a stub. My view is that a template request for more reliable sources would have been and remains more appropriate than deletion. I agree with Thparkth that "no attention outside of its home country" doesn't make the article non-notable per se. However, the live sources are written in Spanish not English. Does this impact on notability for the article being included in the English language Wikipedia? Rupples ( talk) 21:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)- OK. Now found WP:NONENG so will strike out condition Rupples ( talk) 15:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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