- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to draft. There is no clear consensus for any one outcome, but there is a very clear consensus that this should not currently exist in mainspace, and an somewhat closer consensus that this should not be entirely deleted. Deleting entirely in favor of the draft is problematic, as there is content in the draft that was copied from the mainspace article, raising attribution concerns. There is no reason to expect that further relisting will result in a different outcome.
BD2412
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16:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Miss Universe 2024
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WP:TOOSOON ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK 01:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree that the page should be deleted. There is a decent amount of sources already, and given that this page was created less than 10 hours ago, we should give it time. I understand your point of view as well and please do the same for mine. Thank you!
C.b.w85 (
talk)
01:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- C.b.w85 - AFD wording above does not seem to be about how much you have edited the article to date. I think the conflict is about this being a future date. There are also such debates about future elections, etc. My "Keep" comments are below. — Maile ( talk) 01:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - There are already a lot of articles on Category:2024 beauty pageants and Category:2024, Category:2024 in France, Category:2024 in the United States, and on and on it goes. Maybe Wikipedia has contradicting guidelines on things like this, but I don't see how we can delete this one entrant, if all those other 2024 events are being created now. — Maile ( talk) 01:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify or Delete: Miss Universe 2023 hasn't even happened yet. Just a bit WP:TOOSOON to have a mainspace article for this topic. WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST isn't a good keep rationale. User:Let'srun 02:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - TOOSOON is an essay, not a guideline. I do not believe in any event, that it is too soon for an event as famous as this. I personally find this nomination a little picky. I know the following is not really a solid argument but here goes: we have more important things to be deleting than something like this. I think on balance, I would not yet have created this article. However, now it is here, there is no need to delete as the event will without question be notable and it's not long before the 2023 contest is over and the next commences. —
MaxnaCarta (
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02:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I somewhat agree, but I do think that Draftify is the best option, at least until the 2023 event is over. ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK 02:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Beauty pageants. Skynxnex ( talk) 02:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify: WP:TOOSOON to have an article on this. I do believe it'd be best if this article was draftified until Miss Universe 2023 is over. FatCat96 ( talk) 16:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify: Article has potential but it's too soon. Not enough sources are shown that provide sigcov of the 2024 event specifically, and having one contestant listed isn't helpful to potential readers. StartOkayStop ( talk) 16:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify: Article is less then a day old but given the event hasnt happened yet I would say move to the draft space and have the template Template:Promising draft given. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The majority of editors are arguing for Draftification but there are editors here insisting on Keep so I'm relisting this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)- Draftify as TOOSOON BrigadierG ( talk) 02:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify should be fine, although maybe it should actually be deleted. Very similar case to /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miss_Earth_2024. - Indefensible ( talk) 02:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Miss Universe is not the events of a single evening. It is also the process of choosing and selecting the national nominees in separate national pageants well before the Miss Universe pageant. On that basis, I don't think that WP:TOOSOON applies. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify and oppose deletion, per nomination. But given the amount of significant coverage in previous entries (Take Miss Universe 2023 for example), it kind-of passes WP:GNG imo. Brachy08 (Talk) 01:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per WP:TOOSOON Until the event actually takes place. GraziePrego ( talk) 02:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect until further notice. It will be notable when it happens. But that's not even on a determined date yet. Unlike the Super Bowl whose dates are known years ahead of time. Trillfendi ( talk) 21:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I closed this AFD discussion as Draftify and found that there is already a draft at
Draft:Miss Universe 2024 that might be in better condition than this article. Should it be deleted in favor of this one? Should they be Merged? Or should this article be deleted and the current draft article kept?
Liz
Read!
Talk!
04:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'd say Delete this one and keep the current draft article as the two pages essentially overlap. ––– GMH MELBOURNE 05:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Agree, delete this one and leave the other to eventually become the proper article. GraziePrego ( talk) 06:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Obvious instance of WP:TOOSOON. TH1980 ( talk) 01:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to draft. There is no clear consensus for any one outcome, but there is a very clear consensus that this should not currently exist in mainspace, and an somewhat closer consensus that this should not be entirely deleted. Deleting entirely in favor of the draft is problematic, as there is content in the draft that was copied from the mainspace article, raising attribution concerns. There is no reason to expect that further relisting will result in a different outcome.
BD2412
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16:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Miss Universe 2024
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- Miss Universe 2024 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:TOOSOON ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK 01:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree that the page should be deleted. There is a decent amount of sources already, and given that this page was created less than 10 hours ago, we should give it time. I understand your point of view as well and please do the same for mine. Thank you!
C.b.w85 (
talk)
01:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- C.b.w85 - AFD wording above does not seem to be about how much you have edited the article to date. I think the conflict is about this being a future date. There are also such debates about future elections, etc. My "Keep" comments are below. — Maile ( talk) 01:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - There are already a lot of articles on Category:2024 beauty pageants and Category:2024, Category:2024 in France, Category:2024 in the United States, and on and on it goes. Maybe Wikipedia has contradicting guidelines on things like this, but I don't see how we can delete this one entrant, if all those other 2024 events are being created now. — Maile ( talk) 01:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify or Delete: Miss Universe 2023 hasn't even happened yet. Just a bit WP:TOOSOON to have a mainspace article for this topic. WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST isn't a good keep rationale. User:Let'srun 02:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - TOOSOON is an essay, not a guideline. I do not believe in any event, that it is too soon for an event as famous as this. I personally find this nomination a little picky. I know the following is not really a solid argument but here goes: we have more important things to be deleting than something like this. I think on balance, I would not yet have created this article. However, now it is here, there is no need to delete as the event will without question be notable and it's not long before the 2023 contest is over and the next commences. —
MaxnaCarta (
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02:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I somewhat agree, but I do think that Draftify is the best option, at least until the 2023 event is over. ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK 02:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Beauty pageants. Skynxnex ( talk) 02:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify: WP:TOOSOON to have an article on this. I do believe it'd be best if this article was draftified until Miss Universe 2023 is over. FatCat96 ( talk) 16:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify: Article has potential but it's too soon. Not enough sources are shown that provide sigcov of the 2024 event specifically, and having one contestant listed isn't helpful to potential readers. StartOkayStop ( talk) 16:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify: Article is less then a day old but given the event hasnt happened yet I would say move to the draft space and have the template Template:Promising draft given. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The majority of editors are arguing for Draftification but there are editors here insisting on Keep so I'm relisting this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)- Draftify as TOOSOON BrigadierG ( talk) 02:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify should be fine, although maybe it should actually be deleted. Very similar case to /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miss_Earth_2024. - Indefensible ( talk) 02:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Miss Universe is not the events of a single evening. It is also the process of choosing and selecting the national nominees in separate national pageants well before the Miss Universe pageant. On that basis, I don't think that WP:TOOSOON applies. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify and oppose deletion, per nomination. But given the amount of significant coverage in previous entries (Take Miss Universe 2023 for example), it kind-of passes WP:GNG imo. Brachy08 (Talk) 01:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per WP:TOOSOON Until the event actually takes place. GraziePrego ( talk) 02:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect until further notice. It will be notable when it happens. But that's not even on a determined date yet. Unlike the Super Bowl whose dates are known years ahead of time. Trillfendi ( talk) 21:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I closed this AFD discussion as Draftify and found that there is already a draft at
Draft:Miss Universe 2024 that might be in better condition than this article. Should it be deleted in favor of this one? Should they be Merged? Or should this article be deleted and the current draft article kept?
Liz
Read!
Talk!
04:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'd say Delete this one and keep the current draft article as the two pages essentially overlap. ––– GMH MELBOURNE 05:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Agree, delete this one and leave the other to eventually become the proper article. GraziePrego ( talk) 06:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Obvious instance of WP:TOOSOON. TH1980 ( talk) 01:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.