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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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A possibly nonexistent community in Wisconsin without so little as a GNIS entry. From what I know, the vast majority of unincorporated communities like these are listed on GNIS, and the fact this isn't is what makes this suspicious. The only sources I could find regarding a geographical feature with the name 'Misere' in Wisconsin is Misere Road, which is mentioned in this article. Waddles 🗩 🖉 20:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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Waddles
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20:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- I hope you'll re-review. I have since added a few references. You are correct this entry is mostly for historical and geographical reference as the community today is not as prosperous as it once was.
- Steve54301 ( talk) 03:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The sources that
have been added since the AfD was started do not support this being an article. The two online sources describe a road not an unincorporated community. There were no page numbers listed for the two offline books so I had to do some digging, but Hjalmar Rued Holand's 1933 Wisconsin's Belgian Community mentions Miere twice on page 72, referencing "the Misere neighborhood". In Math S. Tlachac's 1974 The History of the Belgian Settlements in Door, Kewaunee and Brown Counties (I was able to view the fifth printing from 2007) Misere is mentioned on page 17 in an image caption describing "the first Misere grade school" and on page 25 describing "St Michael's in Misere". That page 25 mention in the Tlachac source is the only one that could possibly be taken to describing anything other than a neighborhood informally named after a street, and given that the author was
an amateur geneologist I don't think any claim made there should be at face value without additional supporting evidence, and that's only if you choose to read it as "St Michael's in [the town of] Misere" and not "St Michael's in [the neighborhood of] Misere". A neighborhood is not an
unincorporated area, and as far as I can tell by looking online, "Misere, Wisconsin" has never existed. Even these references however, are trivial mentions; there's not even enough context to know what they're talking about beyond the most basic information found in passing mentions, so even as the name of a neighborhood it's not a notable subject. It's not a legally recognized place so there's no automatic notability there, and per
WP:GEOLAND as a neighborhood it must meet
WP:GNG, which this one does not. -
Aoidh (
talk)
08:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wisconsin : its counties, townships & villages ( https://worldcat.org/title/932347689) Doesn't have it listed, so you may be correct in that this should be classified as a neighborhood instead of a unincorporated community. Can such a neighborhood be documented on wikipedia? --Thanks
- Steve54301 ( talk) 19:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Per
WP:GEOLAND such a neighborhood would need to meet
WP:GNG, which is to say that it would need significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. This neighborhood does not meet that criteria, at least not with the sources in the article or what I was able to find online. -
Aoidh (
talk)
22:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.algomapubliclibrary.org/ and
https://www.doorcountynewspapers.org/ both had weekly Misere community columns. Note its also spelled "Misiere".
Steve54301 (
talk)
05:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- A weekly community column is not an independent source for that community; most communities have a "what's going on in your community" thing in some capacity and a community paper is affiliated with said community. Also said sources tend to discuss things going on within the community, they do not go into detail about the neighborhood as a whole. - Aoidh ( talk) 05:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.algomapubliclibrary.org/ and
https://www.doorcountynewspapers.org/ both had weekly Misere community columns. Note its also spelled "Misiere".
Steve54301 (
talk)
05:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Per
WP:GEOLAND such a neighborhood would need to meet
WP:GNG, which is to say that it would need significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. This neighborhood does not meet that criteria, at least not with the sources in the article or what I was able to find online. -
Aoidh (
talk)
22:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete this appears to be a road and not a community. There is not enough RS for this the pass WP:GEOLAND Lightburst ( talk) 17:57, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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- Misere, Wisconsin ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
A possibly nonexistent community in Wisconsin without so little as a GNIS entry. From what I know, the vast majority of unincorporated communities like these are listed on GNIS, and the fact this isn't is what makes this suspicious. The only sources I could find regarding a geographical feature with the name 'Misere' in Wisconsin is Misere Road, which is mentioned in this article. Waddles 🗩 🖉 20:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Geography,
United States of America, and
Wisconsin.
Waddles
🗩
🖉
20:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- I hope you'll re-review. I have since added a few references. You are correct this entry is mostly for historical and geographical reference as the community today is not as prosperous as it once was.
- Steve54301 ( talk) 03:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The sources that
have been added since the AfD was started do not support this being an article. The two online sources describe a road not an unincorporated community. There were no page numbers listed for the two offline books so I had to do some digging, but Hjalmar Rued Holand's 1933 Wisconsin's Belgian Community mentions Miere twice on page 72, referencing "the Misere neighborhood". In Math S. Tlachac's 1974 The History of the Belgian Settlements in Door, Kewaunee and Brown Counties (I was able to view the fifth printing from 2007) Misere is mentioned on page 17 in an image caption describing "the first Misere grade school" and on page 25 describing "St Michael's in Misere". That page 25 mention in the Tlachac source is the only one that could possibly be taken to describing anything other than a neighborhood informally named after a street, and given that the author was
an amateur geneologist I don't think any claim made there should be at face value without additional supporting evidence, and that's only if you choose to read it as "St Michael's in [the town of] Misere" and not "St Michael's in [the neighborhood of] Misere". A neighborhood is not an
unincorporated area, and as far as I can tell by looking online, "Misere, Wisconsin" has never existed. Even these references however, are trivial mentions; there's not even enough context to know what they're talking about beyond the most basic information found in passing mentions, so even as the name of a neighborhood it's not a notable subject. It's not a legally recognized place so there's no automatic notability there, and per
WP:GEOLAND as a neighborhood it must meet
WP:GNG, which this one does not. -
Aoidh (
talk)
08:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wisconsin : its counties, townships & villages ( https://worldcat.org/title/932347689) Doesn't have it listed, so you may be correct in that this should be classified as a neighborhood instead of a unincorporated community. Can such a neighborhood be documented on wikipedia? --Thanks
- Steve54301 ( talk) 19:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Per
WP:GEOLAND such a neighborhood would need to meet
WP:GNG, which is to say that it would need significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. This neighborhood does not meet that criteria, at least not with the sources in the article or what I was able to find online. -
Aoidh (
talk)
22:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
-
https://www.algomapubliclibrary.org/ and
https://www.doorcountynewspapers.org/ both had weekly Misere community columns. Note its also spelled "Misiere".
Steve54301 (
talk)
05:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- A weekly community column is not an independent source for that community; most communities have a "what's going on in your community" thing in some capacity and a community paper is affiliated with said community. Also said sources tend to discuss things going on within the community, they do not go into detail about the neighborhood as a whole. - Aoidh ( talk) 05:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
-
https://www.algomapubliclibrary.org/ and
https://www.doorcountynewspapers.org/ both had weekly Misere community columns. Note its also spelled "Misiere".
Steve54301 (
talk)
05:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Per
WP:GEOLAND such a neighborhood would need to meet
WP:GNG, which is to say that it would need significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. This neighborhood does not meet that criteria, at least not with the sources in the article or what I was able to find online. -
Aoidh (
talk)
22:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete this appears to be a road and not a community. There is not enough RS for this the pass WP:GEOLAND Lightburst ( talk) 17:57, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.