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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) NickGibson3900 Talk 01:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Mir Shamsuddin
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Poorly written, subject not mentioned in either source InedibleHulk (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep [changed per comments below about sources]
Delete. As noted by the nominator, the current article has no references whatsoever that actually mention Mir Shamsuddin. I've found brief mentions in unreliable sources [1] [2] and brief mentions in what may or may not be reliable sources [3] [4]. It's possible he could be notable, but at this point proof is lacking. -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 06:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC) - Keep Source 4 is a journal entry with numerous sources from Oxford University. Source 3 is an organization for sufis in Pakistan. In addition, here are other sources that mention him:
- this source
www
.icpsnet .org /description .php?ID=231 by the International Center For Peace Studies mentions him in the context of Islamic Law in Kashmir. -
ejje
.weblio .jp /content /Mir+Shamsuddin, perhaps unreliable, but says that he succeeded in converting nearly two thirds of the Kasmiris to Shiite Islam. -
budgam
.nic .in /pgHolyPlaces .htm states that he has a tomb. -
www
.cknp .org /cms /culture-play /cultural-routes /conservation-and-research / of Central Karakorum National Park also mentions that he spread Islam in the region. -
books
.google .com /books?id=8J3YdskW00sC&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=mir+shamsuddin+iraqi&source=bl&ots=Y6S6ksx-j9&sig=OX9emRz _t9uBfoWnoi-7R _cWpoc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KSdDVKG8H8yzyAT4pYHICg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwATgK #v=onepage&q=mir%20shamsuddin%20iraqi&f=false is a book titled Lanakh Through Ages that also mentions Mir Shamsuddin.
These individual sources establish at least some notability for the subject, even if not all three of them are reliable. My only suggesion is that the article be moved to Mir Shamsuddin Iraqi because that is what the sources seem to call him (the article itself puts "the Iraqi" after his name in bold in the first sentence of the article). PointsofNoReturn ( talk) 02:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. The fourth of the four sources given by User:Traveling Man is an upload of a reliable source - the original is a chapter in this book published by Oxford University Press. In addition, this book, which also seems to be a reliable source, devotes most of a page to his career, and GBooks produces at least a few more passing mentions (as well as a number of false positives). Where one is looking at religious figures of about 500 years ago from outside Europe, there does tend to be quite a degree of systemic bias - with what look like two solid sources, I regard notability as established, though we could certainly do with more. PWilkinson ( talk) 10:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) NickGibson3900 Talk 01:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Mir Shamsuddin
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Poorly written, subject not mentioned in either source InedibleHulk (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep [changed per comments below about sources]
Delete. As noted by the nominator, the current article has no references whatsoever that actually mention Mir Shamsuddin. I've found brief mentions in unreliable sources [1] [2] and brief mentions in what may or may not be reliable sources [3] [4]. It's possible he could be notable, but at this point proof is lacking. -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 06:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC) - Keep Source 4 is a journal entry with numerous sources from Oxford University. Source 3 is an organization for sufis in Pakistan. In addition, here are other sources that mention him:
- this source
www
.icpsnet .org /description .php?ID=231 by the International Center For Peace Studies mentions him in the context of Islamic Law in Kashmir. -
ejje
.weblio .jp /content /Mir+Shamsuddin, perhaps unreliable, but says that he succeeded in converting nearly two thirds of the Kasmiris to Shiite Islam. -
budgam
.nic .in /pgHolyPlaces .htm states that he has a tomb. -
www
.cknp .org /cms /culture-play /cultural-routes /conservation-and-research / of Central Karakorum National Park also mentions that he spread Islam in the region. -
books
.google .com /books?id=8J3YdskW00sC&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=mir+shamsuddin+iraqi&source=bl&ots=Y6S6ksx-j9&sig=OX9emRz _t9uBfoWnoi-7R _cWpoc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KSdDVKG8H8yzyAT4pYHICg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwATgK #v=onepage&q=mir%20shamsuddin%20iraqi&f=false is a book titled Lanakh Through Ages that also mentions Mir Shamsuddin.
These individual sources establish at least some notability for the subject, even if not all three of them are reliable. My only suggesion is that the article be moved to Mir Shamsuddin Iraqi because that is what the sources seem to call him (the article itself puts "the Iraqi" after his name in bold in the first sentence of the article). PointsofNoReturn ( talk) 02:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. The fourth of the four sources given by User:Traveling Man is an upload of a reliable source - the original is a chapter in this book published by Oxford University Press. In addition, this book, which also seems to be a reliable source, devotes most of a page to his career, and GBooks produces at least a few more passing mentions (as well as a number of false positives). Where one is looking at religious figures of about 500 years ago from outside Europe, there does tend to be quite a degree of systemic bias - with what look like two solid sources, I regard notability as established, though we could certainly do with more. PWilkinson ( talk) 10:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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