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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Mikey See
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yet another non notable musician, sourced to blackhat SEO fake sites, press releases and interviews with no independent coverage. Praxidicae ( talk) 13:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete a non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Save I am new to new to Wikipedia editing, but not new to research. This page was my second edit and, as such, I would like to salvage it. I have read through the sources, and all but Vents magazine are reliable sources. I can also tell you; I edit for fun, not for pay. As for notability, Mikey See is a notable singer, new, but a significant source for Wikipedia. The grounds for deletion are unfounded, as I will show: The "sourced to blackhat SEO fake sites" and "press releases and interviews with no independent coverage" have not been cited.
Mikey See has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. 1 EX.CO Formerly "Playbuzz" is reliable and even has its own Wikipedia page. Deadline News UK is in the top 50 news websites in the UK.
The criterion for published works: this criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries 2
Tyga, Akon, and Justina Valentine satisfy the criterion for non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
Mikey See has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network as heard here on 106.1.
He is on Next Big Sound and the criterion for being on Next Big Sound is being notable. In closing, if edits are required, please list them. I will gladly do any edits necessary, as this is one page that should never be considered for deletion at all. Dr Wing ( talk) 00:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — subject of article is a 22 year old who clearly doesn’t meet WP:MUSICBIO & doesn’t have in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence WP:GNG isn’t satisfied either. Even bare notability he doesn’t possess. Celestina007 ( talk) 01:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as likely paid-for spam. I've blocked the creator, Olisaiuer, for spamming. MER-C 17:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. He is still an up-and-coming artist whose music have not been discussed in reliable sources. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 15:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I did a couple of searches. Just by Google hits, a lot comes up, including this article. However, there is also a makeup artist with a similar name and many are about him, not this subject. I literally found nothing in news or newspapers about this musician. Sorry. Bearian ( talk) 21:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Save
- This page has independent coverage.
- There is no evidence of blackhat SEO fake sites cited.
- The cited reference link to the subject’s Yahoo! Coverage is independent coverage, not an interview, and not a press release. A press release would be on Yahoo Finance, this subject’s link is not a press release.
- Popdust is not a blackhat SEO fake site. Popdust links are cited as reliable references on the following subject Wikipedia pages: Judy Garland, Keanu Reeves, Hailee Steinfeld, Loren Gray, Miley Cyrus, Kendrick Lamar, Maroon 5 and countless others.
- The subject meets the requirements on WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Deadline News article is a top, respected news agency in the UK. Hugncuddle ( talk) 04:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Save: Mikey See is, in fact, notable and exceeds the notability requirements for a music artist by Wikipedia standards for WP:MUSICBIO. On WP:MUSICBIO it states: “ Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.” This artist meets the following three criteria as follows:
- Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are
reliable, not
self-published, and are
independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
[note 1]
- Dr. Wing has shown one citation on April 14th, 2020, with Deadline News UK listed on the page already, as well as others.
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Mikey See has received non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
- I was able to get confirmation of his performance on tour listed, such as the one with Akon in October 2020 here on Songkick.
- I was able to confirm his tour performances with Justina Valentine as well, here, as well as on Patch events (not a community member post) and Hype Magazine here,
- Also, I was able to find numerous video clips of the subject, Mikey See performing on these international and national tours.
- Mikey See been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.
I am in agreement with Dr. Wing on this to save the page. There is a responsibility to adhere to the notability requirements here. WP:MUSICBIO clearly states that a subject has to meet one of the conditions, and this subject has met and exceeded that benchmark. Chase9876 ( talk) 05:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Save: Declaration for deletion shows no proof. There is no evidence of anyone being paid or spamming cited.
The artist meets the requirements needed. If there is evidence of UPE, the creator's account should be banned, not the artist's page.
- Independent Coverage: Yahoo Lifestyle | MICHAEL CAPRA et al v. CHINASA BROXTON OKOROCHA et al
The news article found on Yahoo Lifestyle validates the independent coverage by a reliable source as required by WP:MUSICBIO. The page should stay. Darkquasar12 ( talk) 05:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Save: I concur with Darkquasar12 and Dr Wing. I am a music industry veteran, on the business side, not talent, and I can assure you that the subject Mikey See is, in fact, notable. I keep reading the opening sentence of WP:MUSICBIO, which says, "... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." I do not understand how this can be misunderstood. The subject far exceeds the minimum requirement of one of the criteria on WP:MUSICBIO . The page complies with wikipedia's guidelines and should remain. SoCalDogLover ( talk) 07:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Mikey See
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yet another non notable musician, sourced to blackhat SEO fake sites, press releases and interviews with no independent coverage. Praxidicae ( talk) 13:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Save I am new to new to Wikipedia editing, but not new to research. This page was my second edit and, as such, I would like to salvage it. I have read through the sources, and all but Vents magazine are reliable sources. I can also tell you; I edit for fun, not for pay. As for notability, Mikey See is a notable singer, new, but a significant source for Wikipedia. The grounds for deletion are unfounded, as I will show: The "sourced to blackhat SEO fake sites" and "press releases and interviews with no independent coverage" have not been cited.
Mikey See has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. 1 EX.CO Formerly "Playbuzz" is reliable and even has its own Wikipedia page. Deadline News UK is in the top 50 news websites in the UK.
The criterion for published works: this criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries 2
Tyga, Akon, and Justina Valentine satisfy the criterion for non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
Mikey See has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network as heard here on 106.1.
He is on Next Big Sound and the criterion for being on Next Big Sound is being notable. In closing, if edits are required, please list them. I will gladly do any edits necessary, as this is one page that should never be considered for deletion at all. Dr Wing ( talk) 00:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — subject of article is a 22 year old who clearly doesn’t meet WP:MUSICBIO & doesn’t have in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence WP:GNG isn’t satisfied either. Even bare notability he doesn’t possess. Celestina007 ( talk) 01:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as likely paid-for spam. I've blocked the creator, Olisaiuer, for spamming. MER-C 17:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. He is still an up-and-coming artist whose music have not been discussed in reliable sources. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 15:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I did a couple of searches. Just by Google hits, a lot comes up, including this article. However, there is also a makeup artist with a similar name and many are about him, not this subject. I literally found nothing in news or newspapers about this musician. Sorry. Bearian ( talk) 21:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Save
- This page has independent coverage.
- There is no evidence of blackhat SEO fake sites cited.
- The cited reference link to the subject’s Yahoo! Coverage is independent coverage, not an interview, and not a press release. A press release would be on Yahoo Finance, this subject’s link is not a press release.
- Popdust is not a blackhat SEO fake site. Popdust links are cited as reliable references on the following subject Wikipedia pages: Judy Garland, Keanu Reeves, Hailee Steinfeld, Loren Gray, Miley Cyrus, Kendrick Lamar, Maroon 5 and countless others.
- The subject meets the requirements on WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Deadline News article is a top, respected news agency in the UK. Hugncuddle ( talk) 04:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Save: Mikey See is, in fact, notable and exceeds the notability requirements for a music artist by Wikipedia standards for WP:MUSICBIO. On WP:MUSICBIO it states: “ Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.” This artist meets the following three criteria as follows:
- Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are
reliable, not
self-published, and are
independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
[note 1]
- Dr. Wing has shown one citation on April 14th, 2020, with Deadline News UK listed on the page already, as well as others.
-
Mikey See has received non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
- I was able to get confirmation of his performance on tour listed, such as the one with Akon in October 2020 here on Songkick.
- I was able to confirm his tour performances with Justina Valentine as well, here, as well as on Patch events (not a community member post) and Hype Magazine here,
- Also, I was able to find numerous video clips of the subject, Mikey See performing on these international and national tours.
- Mikey See been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.
I am in agreement with Dr. Wing on this to save the page. There is a responsibility to adhere to the notability requirements here. WP:MUSICBIO clearly states that a subject has to meet one of the conditions, and this subject has met and exceeded that benchmark. Chase9876 ( talk) 05:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Save: Declaration for deletion shows no proof. There is no evidence of anyone being paid or spamming cited.
The artist meets the requirements needed. If there is evidence of UPE, the creator's account should be banned, not the artist's page.
- Independent Coverage: Yahoo Lifestyle | MICHAEL CAPRA et al v. CHINASA BROXTON OKOROCHA et al
The news article found on Yahoo Lifestyle validates the independent coverage by a reliable source as required by WP:MUSICBIO. The page should stay. Darkquasar12 ( talk) 05:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Save: I concur with Darkquasar12 and Dr Wing. I am a music industry veteran, on the business side, not talent, and I can assure you that the subject Mikey See is, in fact, notable. I keep reading the opening sentence of WP:MUSICBIO, which says, "... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." I do not understand how this can be misunderstood. The subject far exceeds the minimum requirement of one of the criteria on WP:MUSICBIO . The page complies with wikipedia's guidelines and should remain. SoCalDogLover ( talk) 07:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.