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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 04:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Vaporware. Previously nominated for deletion 10 years ago Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miegakure, and still not released to public. Some Webcomics circa 2010 mentioned this based on early play-tests, but is there any evidence of recent notability? Plantdrew ( talk) 04:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Keep. I don't think recent notability is a criteria. This game does seem to satisfy the requirements for notability due to the award it has received. Shashwat986 → talk 04:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, ignoring recency, what is your standard for notability for a program/video game that has only ever been available to a select group of critics with no releases to the general public? Plantdrew ( talk) 04:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 08:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There was clear notability when the game was announced (eg in-depth coverage from at least 4 reliable sources that I see) as well as the IGF nod, and while it may now be vaporware (we don't know), that notability doesn't vanish due to lack of release. -- Masem ( t) 14:06, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Being vaporware or cancelled does not make a game ineligible for inclusion. See Metroid Dread which was vaporware for decades before being surprise announced as a real game. This game proved that it was notable and whether or not it will be released does not change that. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 17:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep It's not a vaporware, in fact there was a new blog update from the last month at
[1]. I'm not impressed with the sources in the article (Vice one being the only secondary reliable source that actually covers this game in depth), but I've found more on it in
Game Informer
[2],
Rock, Paper, Shotgun
[3],
Wired (magazine)
[4],
PC Gamer
[5]. Should be enough to meet
WP:GNG.
Jovanmilic97 (
talk)
08:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Having a development blog can still mean it's vaporware if its development process is incredibly protracted, but yes it does have plenty of sources. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 11:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Being vaporware =/= Being non-notable. Plus as mentioned by Jovanmilic97, the project is still alive and active. Mann Mann ( talk) 13:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 04:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Vaporware. Previously nominated for deletion 10 years ago Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miegakure, and still not released to public. Some Webcomics circa 2010 mentioned this based on early play-tests, but is there any evidence of recent notability? Plantdrew ( talk) 04:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Keep. I don't think recent notability is a criteria. This game does seem to satisfy the requirements for notability due to the award it has received. Shashwat986 → talk 04:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, ignoring recency, what is your standard for notability for a program/video game that has only ever been available to a select group of critics with no releases to the general public? Plantdrew ( talk) 04:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 08:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There was clear notability when the game was announced (eg in-depth coverage from at least 4 reliable sources that I see) as well as the IGF nod, and while it may now be vaporware (we don't know), that notability doesn't vanish due to lack of release. -- Masem ( t) 14:06, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Being vaporware or cancelled does not make a game ineligible for inclusion. See Metroid Dread which was vaporware for decades before being surprise announced as a real game. This game proved that it was notable and whether or not it will be released does not change that. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 17:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep It's not a vaporware, in fact there was a new blog update from the last month at
[1]. I'm not impressed with the sources in the article (Vice one being the only secondary reliable source that actually covers this game in depth), but I've found more on it in
Game Informer
[2],
Rock, Paper, Shotgun
[3],
Wired (magazine)
[4],
PC Gamer
[5]. Should be enough to meet
WP:GNG.
Jovanmilic97 (
talk)
08:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Having a development blog can still mean it's vaporware if its development process is incredibly protracted, but yes it does have plenty of sources. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 11:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Being vaporware =/= Being non-notable. Plus as mentioned by Jovanmilic97, the project is still alive and active. Mann Mann ( talk) 13:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.