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The result was Speedy Keep. #1 SK ( non-admin closure) Jim Carter (from public cyber) 17:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Michele Marie Somers
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IMO this subject does not meet our criteria for inclusion. Virtually all the coverage was timely and local. There was not major national interest, coverage was not persistent, and the case does not appear to have had any lasting impact. A tragic story, but not suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. MelanieN ( talk) 14:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin MacNeill (2nd nomination) which is about her husband / convicted killer. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment. I have no objection to merging and redirecting Martin MacNeill and Michele Marie Somers to Murder of Michele MacNeill. The notability of the individuals is dependent upon the event, and the event (i.e. murder and trial, etc.) certainly has received national and some international coverage, and appears to pass the various guidelines in WP:EVENT. Unfortunately, I have no interest in creating or re-working the merge target. - Location ( talk) 18:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Comment If the result is to keep this material, I certainly agree with User:Location that it should be combined into a single article titled Murder of Michele MacNeill. That is the usual Wikipedia practice, reflecting the understanding that it is the crime itself that is notable - rather than the victim or the perpetrator, whose only claim to notability is their connection to the crime. If this course is chosen, I would recommend that the other article, Martin MacNeill, be moved to the new title, because it has a much more significant article history. The contents of this article should then be merged and redirected to the "Murder of" article. A redirect titled Michele MacNeill should also be created. -- MelanieN ( talk) 09:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge into combined article Murder of Michele MacNeill as per MelanieN, based on WP:SINGLEEVENT, with appropriate redirects as suggested.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 12:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Withdraw nomination Based on discussion here and at the other AfD, I withdraw my "delete" nomination and change it to "Merge/Redirect to an article called Murder of Michele MacNeill". We already have a volunteer to carry out the process. -- MelanieN ( talk) 14:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy Keep. #1 SK ( non-admin closure) Jim Carter (from public cyber) 17:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Michele Marie Somers
- Michele Marie Somers ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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IMO this subject does not meet our criteria for inclusion. Virtually all the coverage was timely and local. There was not major national interest, coverage was not persistent, and the case does not appear to have had any lasting impact. A tragic story, but not suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. MelanieN ( talk) 14:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin MacNeill (2nd nomination) which is about her husband / convicted killer. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. I have no objection to merging and redirecting Martin MacNeill and Michele Marie Somers to Murder of Michele MacNeill. The notability of the individuals is dependent upon the event, and the event (i.e. murder and trial, etc.) certainly has received national and some international coverage, and appears to pass the various guidelines in WP:EVENT. Unfortunately, I have no interest in creating or re-working the merge target. - Location ( talk) 18:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Comment If the result is to keep this material, I certainly agree with User:Location that it should be combined into a single article titled Murder of Michele MacNeill. That is the usual Wikipedia practice, reflecting the understanding that it is the crime itself that is notable - rather than the victim or the perpetrator, whose only claim to notability is their connection to the crime. If this course is chosen, I would recommend that the other article, Martin MacNeill, be moved to the new title, because it has a much more significant article history. The contents of this article should then be merged and redirected to the "Murder of" article. A redirect titled Michele MacNeill should also be created. -- MelanieN ( talk) 09:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge into combined article Murder of Michele MacNeill as per MelanieN, based on WP:SINGLEEVENT, with appropriate redirects as suggested.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 12:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Withdraw nomination Based on discussion here and at the other AfD, I withdraw my "delete" nomination and change it to "Merge/Redirect to an article called Murder of Michele MacNeill". We already have a volunteer to carry out the process. -- MelanieN ( talk) 14:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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