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WP:BLP about the leader of an organization, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for leaders of organizations. As always, just having a job is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt a person from having to pass WP:GNG on their sourcing -- but the content here is strictly on the level of "he is a person who has a job, the end", with absolutely no content about any specific things he did in the job, and the "referencing" consists entirely of his primary source staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers rather than any evidence of third-party reliable source coverage about his work in media or books. Bearcat ( talk) 15:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and United Kingdom. Bearcat ( talk) 15:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have added five more references to the point where I believe it passes WP:GNG, and I believe further references could be found to expand further. His role in shaping an international regulatory framework for deep sea mining seems significant. Uhooep ( talk) 19:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can someone check out the sources added by Uhooep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep passes WP:GNG per the sources available. They give significant coverage and are from reliable sources. LocomotiveEngine ( talk) 06:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and merge anything here that isn't already included into International Seabed Authority. I only find one source that is specifically about him, which is the NY Times article about the criticism of his leadership. Everything else is about the organization, naming him as the director. Being the director is not itself notable, as Bearcat states above, as is evident from the paucity of information about him. I should note that the UN and WEF sources are not independent; bios in such sites are almost always provided by the subject of the bio. And the Q&A article is also not independent as that is him speaking about himself. Lamona ( talk) 04:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Comment the Q&A article also includes prose at the beginning which was written by the journalist, not the subject. Uhooep ( talk) 08:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to International Seabed Authority. I agree with Lamona's categorization of the sources; he isn't the focus of them, but appears in them as a source of quotes for an article on the organization or on the topic of deep-sea mining more generally. -- asilvering ( talk) 03:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the sourcing is sufficient. Oppose a redirect; if he isn't "notable" enough for a stand-alone article we don't need a mini-biography in the organization's article. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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WP:BLP about the leader of an organization, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for leaders of organizations. As always, just having a job is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt a person from having to pass WP:GNG on their sourcing -- but the content here is strictly on the level of "he is a person who has a job, the end", with absolutely no content about any specific things he did in the job, and the "referencing" consists entirely of his primary source staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers rather than any evidence of third-party reliable source coverage about his work in media or books. Bearcat ( talk) 15:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and United Kingdom. Bearcat ( talk) 15:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have added five more references to the point where I believe it passes WP:GNG, and I believe further references could be found to expand further. His role in shaping an international regulatory framework for deep sea mining seems significant. Uhooep ( talk) 19:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can someone check out the sources added by Uhooep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG per the sources available. They give significant coverage and are from reliable sources. LocomotiveEngine ( talk) 06:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and merge anything here that isn't already included into International Seabed Authority. I only find one source that is specifically about him, which is the NY Times article about the criticism of his leadership. Everything else is about the organization, naming him as the director. Being the director is not itself notable, as Bearcat states above, as is evident from the paucity of information about him. I should note that the UN and WEF sources are not independent; bios in such sites are almost always provided by the subject of the bio. And the Q&A article is also not independent as that is him speaking about himself. Lamona ( talk) 04:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Comment the Q&A article also includes prose at the beginning which was written by the journalist, not the subject. Uhooep ( talk) 08:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to International Seabed Authority. I agree with Lamona's categorization of the sources; he isn't the focus of them, but appears in them as a source of quotes for an article on the organization or on the topic of deep-sea mining more generally. -- asilvering ( talk) 03:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the sourcing is sufficient. Oppose a redirect; if he isn't "notable" enough for a stand-alone article we don't need a mini-biography in the organization's article. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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