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The result was redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014. j⚛e decker talk 06:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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This individual doesn't appear to meet notability criteria independent of his congressional candidacy. I am nominating for deletion per my understanding of WP:POLITICIAN Champaign Supernova ( talk) 00:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Update: I originally nominated this article for deletion. I'd like to amend and clarify that by stating that I believe the article should instead be redirected to the U.S. congressional elections in California page. Champaign Supernova ( talk) 16:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014 per usual practice. Based on a search and on the references provided in the article, he does not seem to have notability aside from his current electoral campaign. If he should win or otherwise become notable in the future, the redirect can be re-expanded to a full article. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Eggman falls under #2 of the guidelines for notable politicians, "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." He is a major political figure in the CA Central Valley who has secured a spot in the General Election, raised a significant amount of money, has the endorsement and backing of the local, state and national Democratic party, been included on the DCCC's Red to Blue list of top competitive races and has the DCCC backing him with a $1.1 million early ad buy. He and his candidacy have been covered by every major paper in the Central Valley as well as national news organizations including CNN, The Washington Post, Roll Call and Politico. There are only a couple of dozen competitive races in the country that will determine the make up of the U.S. House of Representatives and Eggman is a part of one of those. He is, without question, "part of the enduring historical record." -- Davidchasejr ( talk) 21:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC) — Davidchasejr ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep Going off of what David said above, there may actually be enough notability here to keep, especially since the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee just has released
a list of persons which he is included on. Outside of that, he appears in enough material to meet number two in the list. Granted, most of the press coverage is from last week's primary in which he won, but there is enough variation in the recent coverage to show notability in my opinion.
Kevin Rutherford (
talk) 20:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
- Kevin, David Chase is Eggman's Finance Director. That doesn't necessarily make him wrong, though. --mike barkley, mjbarkl@inreach.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.111.204 ( talk) 20:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- KeepIf Michael Eggman is not famous enough yet, he soon will be. (I came in 3rd in that election). --mike barkley, mjbarkl@inreach.com 10 June 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.111.204 ( talk) 08:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC) — 67.181.111.204 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep Based on the comments from David and Kevin, I vote to keep this page. According to ballotpedia the district is likely to be a battleground district in the 2014 elections and Eggman just won the primary. He has a good amount of press coverage already and his notability will only increase. 92.40.54.141 ( talk) 17:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC) — 95.40.54.141 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Wikipedia does not keep articles about unelected candidates just because they might win the election. We do not deal in the realm of election predictions — either they've won election to a notable office or they haven't, and their prospects of winning a future election have no bearing on anything. Bearcat ( talk) 22:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Brief review of sources suggests subject meets WP:GNG.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 21:14, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014. The subject is not a local elected official with significant press coverage. The subject's notability is related only to his campaign, and while the campaign is certainly notable (and will generate more coverage), a political campaign falls under WP:BLP1E. That is, the subject is not notable outside of the event (in this case a campaign). The usual outcome for unelected candidates for federal office is a redirect, and if the subject is elected, a stand-alone page can be created at that point. Otherwise, any relevant information can be added to the election page. Enos733 ( talk) 17:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect: IMO, this page is in the same boat as candidate Stewart Mills of Minnesota. Just a candidate, never held elected office, getting a lot of coverage now, but *only* for his candidacy. Mills' previous page (last edition is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Stewart_Mills_III&oldid=608651997) was redirected to
the main election page.
Champaign Supernova (
talk) 19:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- @ Champaign Supernova: Are you changing your above delete vote? Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 20:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't realize there was a distinction between deletion and redirecting--sorry about that. I think we should be redirecting this page to the main elections page, since that seems to be the practice with other candidates of a similar nature.
Champaign Supernova (
talk) 20:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- No worries, as I wasn't sure what you wanted to do since you voted for delete above. You may want to strike that vote since that is not what you are supporting now, but I'll leave it up to you. Thanks for the clarification! Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 19:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't realize there was a distinction between deletion and redirecting--sorry about that. I think we should be redirecting this page to the main elections page, since that seems to be the practice with other candidates of a similar nature.
Champaign Supernova (
talk) 20:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014. If and when he wins, then of course a dedicated biography should be created, but Wikipedia is not a place to engage in political campaigning, which I believe is what this article is. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 03:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC).
- Redirect to the election per almost everybody. Per WP:POLITICIAN, a candidate does not get a Wikipedia article just for being a candidate — he'll qualify for an article if he wins the election, certainly, but is not entitled to use Wikipedia as a campaign tool in the meantime. Bearcat ( talk) 22:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014. j⚛e decker talk 06:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Michael Eggman
|
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This individual doesn't appear to meet notability criteria independent of his congressional candidacy. I am nominating for deletion per my understanding of WP:POLITICIAN Champaign Supernova ( talk) 00:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Update: I originally nominated this article for deletion. I'd like to amend and clarify that by stating that I believe the article should instead be redirected to the U.S. congressional elections in California page. Champaign Supernova ( talk) 16:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014 per usual practice. Based on a search and on the references provided in the article, he does not seem to have notability aside from his current electoral campaign. If he should win or otherwise become notable in the future, the redirect can be re-expanded to a full article. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Eggman falls under #2 of the guidelines for notable politicians, "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." He is a major political figure in the CA Central Valley who has secured a spot in the General Election, raised a significant amount of money, has the endorsement and backing of the local, state and national Democratic party, been included on the DCCC's Red to Blue list of top competitive races and has the DCCC backing him with a $1.1 million early ad buy. He and his candidacy have been covered by every major paper in the Central Valley as well as national news organizations including CNN, The Washington Post, Roll Call and Politico. There are only a couple of dozen competitive races in the country that will determine the make up of the U.S. House of Representatives and Eggman is a part of one of those. He is, without question, "part of the enduring historical record." -- Davidchasejr ( talk) 21:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC) — Davidchasejr ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep Going off of what David said above, there may actually be enough notability here to keep, especially since the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee just has released
a list of persons which he is included on. Outside of that, he appears in enough material to meet number two in the list. Granted, most of the press coverage is from last week's primary in which he won, but there is enough variation in the recent coverage to show notability in my opinion.
Kevin Rutherford (
talk) 20:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
- Kevin, David Chase is Eggman's Finance Director. That doesn't necessarily make him wrong, though. --mike barkley, mjbarkl@inreach.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.111.204 ( talk) 20:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- KeepIf Michael Eggman is not famous enough yet, he soon will be. (I came in 3rd in that election). --mike barkley, mjbarkl@inreach.com 10 June 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.111.204 ( talk) 08:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC) — 67.181.111.204 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep Based on the comments from David and Kevin, I vote to keep this page. According to ballotpedia the district is likely to be a battleground district in the 2014 elections and Eggman just won the primary. He has a good amount of press coverage already and his notability will only increase. 92.40.54.141 ( talk) 17:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC) — 95.40.54.141 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Wikipedia does not keep articles about unelected candidates just because they might win the election. We do not deal in the realm of election predictions — either they've won election to a notable office or they haven't, and their prospects of winning a future election have no bearing on anything. Bearcat ( talk) 22:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Brief review of sources suggests subject meets WP:GNG.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 21:14, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014. The subject is not a local elected official with significant press coverage. The subject's notability is related only to his campaign, and while the campaign is certainly notable (and will generate more coverage), a political campaign falls under WP:BLP1E. That is, the subject is not notable outside of the event (in this case a campaign). The usual outcome for unelected candidates for federal office is a redirect, and if the subject is elected, a stand-alone page can be created at that point. Otherwise, any relevant information can be added to the election page. Enos733 ( talk) 17:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect: IMO, this page is in the same boat as candidate Stewart Mills of Minnesota. Just a candidate, never held elected office, getting a lot of coverage now, but *only* for his candidacy. Mills' previous page (last edition is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Stewart_Mills_III&oldid=608651997) was redirected to
the main election page.
Champaign Supernova (
talk) 19:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- @ Champaign Supernova: Are you changing your above delete vote? Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 20:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't realize there was a distinction between deletion and redirecting--sorry about that. I think we should be redirecting this page to the main elections page, since that seems to be the practice with other candidates of a similar nature.
Champaign Supernova (
talk) 20:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- No worries, as I wasn't sure what you wanted to do since you voted for delete above. You may want to strike that vote since that is not what you are supporting now, but I'll leave it up to you. Thanks for the clarification! Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 19:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't realize there was a distinction between deletion and redirecting--sorry about that. I think we should be redirecting this page to the main elections page, since that seems to be the practice with other candidates of a similar nature.
Champaign Supernova (
talk) 20:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2014. If and when he wins, then of course a dedicated biography should be created, but Wikipedia is not a place to engage in political campaigning, which I believe is what this article is. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 03:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC).
- Redirect to the election per almost everybody. Per WP:POLITICIAN, a candidate does not get a Wikipedia article just for being a candidate — he'll qualify for an article if he wins the election, certainly, but is not entitled to use Wikipedia as a campaign tool in the meantime. Bearcat ( talk) 22:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.