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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn to re-scope article per suggestion. ( non-admin closure) Mottezen ( talk) 02:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Mexican Indian Wars
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This article is a mish-mash list of conflicts between indigenous peoples and colonial or settler states from Hernan Cortez to the present day Chiapas conflict, though it marks the end date of the "Mexican Indian Wars" in 1933. The links tying all these conflicts together are very weak. These wars all implicate different actors and circumstances. No sources I saw made the connections between these conflicts the way this article does. Overall, there is very few mentions of this concept in the literature: 2 hits on google scholar, and 6 on Google books. "Indian Mexican Wars" has just as little hits.
Only one book in the hits I got was not simply making a mention in passing of this subject. This book only deals with the period of 1812 to 1900, and makes comparisons with Indian wars in Canada and the United States. The author uses the term "Mexican Indian Wars" just once in the whole book. He titled a relevant chapter "Indian Wars in Mexico" instead. The comparative nature of this books likely why the author even used the term "indian wars" at all; the term is absent in every other works of Mexican history.
Of the sources in the article, only one of them uses the term at all, and it doesn't strike me as a RS. And even then, the author, "History guy", only uses the term to describe three wars in the early 20th century.
The article was written by a now-blocked user mostly interested in American history. The Spanish article of this topic was written last year, and describes the term as a "anglophone concept", "'mostly used in Canada and the United States", and "not used in Spanish". I feel this is a case of circular reporting on Wikipedia. Tales of a totally made up conflict that lasted 414 years are being shared on instagram. Time to delete this aberration. Mottezen ( talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Mottezen ( talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Mottezen ( talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment what the nominator says about the topic is true if you search for this title. However I am less sure that the topic itself isn’t notable. The article is essentially a list and what are described here as Mexican Indian Wars are described in Spanish as “Rebeliones indígenas en México” and there is plenty of literature about that. Perhaps moving to a title that reflects this term such as “List of Indigenous Rebellions in Mexico” would work? Mccapra ( talk) 05:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I like this idea a lot. If we were do to that though we'd need to remove all the wars of Spanish/Mexican agression from the list, and keep strictly the rebellions against colonialism. I'd also like to remove the grossly misleading and convoluted infobox.
Mottezen (
talk)
05:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I agree the info box is nonsense. Mccapra ( talk) 08:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I like this idea a lot. If we were do to that though we'd need to remove all the wars of Spanish/Mexican agression from the list, and keep strictly the rebellions against colonialism. I'd also like to remove the grossly misleading and convoluted infobox.
Mottezen (
talk)
05:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn to re-scope article per suggestion. ( non-admin closure) Mottezen ( talk) 02:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Mexican Indian Wars
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This article is a mish-mash list of conflicts between indigenous peoples and colonial or settler states from Hernan Cortez to the present day Chiapas conflict, though it marks the end date of the "Mexican Indian Wars" in 1933. The links tying all these conflicts together are very weak. These wars all implicate different actors and circumstances. No sources I saw made the connections between these conflicts the way this article does. Overall, there is very few mentions of this concept in the literature: 2 hits on google scholar, and 6 on Google books. "Indian Mexican Wars" has just as little hits.
Only one book in the hits I got was not simply making a mention in passing of this subject. This book only deals with the period of 1812 to 1900, and makes comparisons with Indian wars in Canada and the United States. The author uses the term "Mexican Indian Wars" just once in the whole book. He titled a relevant chapter "Indian Wars in Mexico" instead. The comparative nature of this books likely why the author even used the term "indian wars" at all; the term is absent in every other works of Mexican history.
Of the sources in the article, only one of them uses the term at all, and it doesn't strike me as a RS. And even then, the author, "History guy", only uses the term to describe three wars in the early 20th century.
The article was written by a now-blocked user mostly interested in American history. The Spanish article of this topic was written last year, and describes the term as a "anglophone concept", "'mostly used in Canada and the United States", and "not used in Spanish". I feel this is a case of circular reporting on Wikipedia. Tales of a totally made up conflict that lasted 414 years are being shared on instagram. Time to delete this aberration. Mottezen ( talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Mottezen ( talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Mottezen ( talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment what the nominator says about the topic is true if you search for this title. However I am less sure that the topic itself isn’t notable. The article is essentially a list and what are described here as Mexican Indian Wars are described in Spanish as “Rebeliones indígenas en México” and there is plenty of literature about that. Perhaps moving to a title that reflects this term such as “List of Indigenous Rebellions in Mexico” would work? Mccapra ( talk) 05:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I like this idea a lot. If we were do to that though we'd need to remove all the wars of Spanish/Mexican agression from the list, and keep strictly the rebellions against colonialism. I'd also like to remove the grossly misleading and convoluted infobox.
Mottezen (
talk)
05:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I agree the info box is nonsense. Mccapra ( talk) 08:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- I like this idea a lot. If we were do to that though we'd need to remove all the wars of Spanish/Mexican agression from the list, and keep strictly the rebellions against colonialism. I'd also like to remove the grossly misleading and convoluted infobox.
Mottezen (
talk)
05:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.