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The result was redirect to Petrol Ofisi. An extensive analysis of the sources has concluded that the only in-depth source, the Forbes article lacks the independence needed. Eastmain has made the argument that the remaining sources, in total, are adequate for notability but the consensus is that simple notices of appointments, and incidental coverage are insufficient. This would normally result in a deletion, but Jfire has suggested redirecting to the company that Mr. Abbasoğlu leads, and this alternative to deletion seems appropriate. The name of the CEO is listed in that article, and he is so closely associated with this company that a redirect is unlikely to cause confusion. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Fails GNG or relevant specefic criteia. Not enough independent significant coverage.
- Source 1: Petrol Ofisi reached a market share of 23.09 percent (translated), Reliable? Unknown (likely), Independent? Yes, Significant coverage? No
- Source 2:Petrol Ofisi CEO Abbasoğlu: Our only bottleneck is our roads (translated) Reliable? Not likely, Significant coverage? No (Routine coverage of a conference, only quotes the CEO's statement)
- 3:Petrol Ofisi Group accelerates investments in line with Turkey's national energy strategy, Reliable? Not likely (State-run), Significant coverage? No (About company announcements, not the subject of the article)
- 4:Vitol-owned Petrol Ofisi agrees to purchase BP’s Turkish fuel operations, Reliable? Unknown, Independent? No (Publisher owns the company), Significant coverage? No (One-line mention)
- 5:404-error
- 6:Turkey’s Petrol Ofisi announces new chief executive officer, Reliable? No (Likely an advertisement), Independent? No (Likely an advertisement, no bylines, promotional tone, likely WP:RSNOI applies), Significant coverage? No (Mainly discusses company position changes, not the subject)
- 7:Change of general manager at Petrol Ofisi, Press release citing company statement
- 8:How A Gritty Market Leader Transformed Out Of A ‘Doomed’ Industry, Forbes contributor promo, not reliable by itself, further it's mostly an interview so primary source
- 9:Mehmet Abbasoğlu became the General Manager of Petrol Ofisi, similar to source 7, Press release citing a company statement
- Sources 10-16, more of the same. Waste of time and energy detailing here.
X ( talk) 19:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Turkey, and United Kingdom. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Excluding the material from Forbes and sources where the person is an employee or director, the references seem fine. These are all valid references for a corporate executive. Newspaper articles aren't press releases; while a company announcement may be the starting point for a newspaper story about an executive appointment, the newspaper makes its own decisions about whether the announcement is newsworthy and what to include.
Anadolu Agency is a legitimate news agency despite being state-run, although some caution is needed when considering its coverage of politics.
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21:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- In my view, appointment news (yes technically may not be Press releases, but the specific references I mentioned as PR merely report anything independent but relay/quote the company statement) fo-shizzle falls under routine coverage. X ( talk) 22:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found in article or BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth, routine mill news based on press releases, mentions, etc do not meet WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 12:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Petrol Ofisi. The only source with significant coverage is the WP:FORBESCON piece, which is not RS. The reliable sources are routine announcements of his appointment as CEO. No notability independent of the company, hence redirect. Jfire ( talk) 03:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The creator essentially only edits articles about Turkish businessmen, which leads me to think that his editing scope is too narrow to understand what is encyclopedic. That's the charitable POV. In full, there is just insignifcant coverage in reliable sources. Every one of the thousands of business person who has any head for marketing will get press releases published in small business journals, but that does not make them notable. For the record, Forbes is a shell of its former glory. Bearian ( talk) 17:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This clearly fails. The only reliable sources provide nothing that suggests notability. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 06:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Petrol Ofisi. An extensive analysis of the sources has concluded that the only in-depth source, the Forbes article lacks the independence needed. Eastmain has made the argument that the remaining sources, in total, are adequate for notability but the consensus is that simple notices of appointments, and incidental coverage are insufficient. This would normally result in a deletion, but Jfire has suggested redirecting to the company that Mr. Abbasoğlu leads, and this alternative to deletion seems appropriate. The name of the CEO is listed in that article, and he is so closely associated with this company that a redirect is unlikely to cause confusion. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Mehmet Abbasoğlu (businessman) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG or relevant specefic criteia. Not enough independent significant coverage.
- Source 1: Petrol Ofisi reached a market share of 23.09 percent (translated), Reliable? Unknown (likely), Independent? Yes, Significant coverage? No
- Source 2:Petrol Ofisi CEO Abbasoğlu: Our only bottleneck is our roads (translated) Reliable? Not likely, Significant coverage? No (Routine coverage of a conference, only quotes the CEO's statement)
- 3:Petrol Ofisi Group accelerates investments in line with Turkey's national energy strategy, Reliable? Not likely (State-run), Significant coverage? No (About company announcements, not the subject of the article)
- 4:Vitol-owned Petrol Ofisi agrees to purchase BP’s Turkish fuel operations, Reliable? Unknown, Independent? No (Publisher owns the company), Significant coverage? No (One-line mention)
- 5:404-error
- 6:Turkey’s Petrol Ofisi announces new chief executive officer, Reliable? No (Likely an advertisement), Independent? No (Likely an advertisement, no bylines, promotional tone, likely WP:RSNOI applies), Significant coverage? No (Mainly discusses company position changes, not the subject)
- 7:Change of general manager at Petrol Ofisi, Press release citing company statement
- 8:How A Gritty Market Leader Transformed Out Of A ‘Doomed’ Industry, Forbes contributor promo, not reliable by itself, further it's mostly an interview so primary source
- 9:Mehmet Abbasoğlu became the General Manager of Petrol Ofisi, similar to source 7, Press release citing a company statement
- Sources 10-16, more of the same. Waste of time and energy detailing here.
X ( talk) 19:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Turkey, and United Kingdom. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Excluding the material from Forbes and sources where the person is an employee or director, the references seem fine. These are all valid references for a corporate executive. Newspaper articles aren't press releases; while a company announcement may be the starting point for a newspaper story about an executive appointment, the newspaper makes its own decisions about whether the announcement is newsworthy and what to include.
Anadolu Agency is a legitimate news agency despite being state-run, although some caution is needed when considering its coverage of politics.
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
21:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- In my view, appointment news (yes technically may not be Press releases, but the specific references I mentioned as PR merely report anything independent but relay/quote the company statement) fo-shizzle falls under routine coverage. X ( talk) 22:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found in article or BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth, routine mill news based on press releases, mentions, etc do not meet WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 12:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Petrol Ofisi. The only source with significant coverage is the WP:FORBESCON piece, which is not RS. The reliable sources are routine announcements of his appointment as CEO. No notability independent of the company, hence redirect. Jfire ( talk) 03:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The creator essentially only edits articles about Turkish businessmen, which leads me to think that his editing scope is too narrow to understand what is encyclopedic. That's the charitable POV. In full, there is just insignifcant coverage in reliable sources. Every one of the thousands of business person who has any head for marketing will get press releases published in small business journals, but that does not make them notable. For the record, Forbes is a shell of its former glory. Bearian ( talk) 17:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This clearly fails. The only reliable sources provide nothing that suggests notability. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 06:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.