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The result was delete. Consensus is that there is an unresolved WP:V issue, and given the lack of reliable sourcing, or presence on maps, that seems to be a decent argument. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Prodded as the non-notable subdivision that it is, was redirected to the township on the claim that WP:NGEO says this ought to be done. First, I have to say that I don't know whether townships in Indiana are a particularly important layer of organization. Be that as it may, this comes down, once again, to the issue of translating GNIS's "populated place" into "unincorporated community". We've found out long ago that this was a mechanical substitution for a term which has proven to be quite sketchy, so I don't see how we make any claims about what this place is using GNIS as an authority, which is what is happening. I can tell it's a subdivision by looking at the maps and aerials, but that isn't going to cut it for writing an article by our standards. These subdivisions need to be deleted, and these township-level lists of "unincorporated communities' need to go away. Mangoe ( talk) 21:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Washington Township, Morgan County, IndianaMartinsville, Indiana per Wikipedia:NGEO: If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it. Djflem ( talk) 21:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC) - Keep Reverting a perfectly valid redirect for the sole purpose of being able to send it to AFD is both unconstructive and a waste of editors' time here. As long as it remains mentioned in the Washington Township article then the redirect is valid. The issue should be taken up on that article first before trying to delete links to it. Spinning Spark 10:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Per
Wikipedia:Deletion by redirection; Redirecting an article is often an appropriate course of action to be taken when an article clearly fails to meet the general notability guidelines for inclusion. In such cases, a bold redirect to an appropriate page allows the history of the article to be maintained such that future editors may expand the article to establish notability for the subject. And mention in township article should be kept
Djflem (
talk)
11:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but it still needs a reliable source at least confirming existence. I'm not seeing anything that does that. GNIS is not reliable for identifying communities. Spinning Spark 12:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Unable to find any sources beyond the WP:GNIS database attesting to what this is, not even a subdivision or housing development. There's a very short McDaniel Road leading to a farm – this farm has a strip of grass used as an airstrip. [1] says it's owned by a Jim McDaniel. McDaniel Road attaches Robin Road and Hacker Drive that have homes, but it doesn't seem like this is "an unincorporated community" or even a generic subdivision or housing development named after this person. The brother of this or a previous McDaniel was killed in a plane crash departing from here in 1972. It's unconstructive and a waste of editors' time to suggest this zero-effort mass-produced junk "article" should be kept or redirected when we have zero verification of what this place is exactly or that it's notable. Even if the subdivision on Hacker Drive is or was called McDaniel, this is not a notable place, and subdivisions, especially those that are mere houses on a street like this, should not be listed in township articles in general (Indiana has ~5,000 homeowners' associations, which should not be catalogued on Wikipedia, whether these "communities" are in an incorporated area or not). I have removed it from Washington Township since without better sourcing we have no proof it's an "unincorporated town" as was listed there. Reywas92 Talk 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I was unable to find anything to help suggest this is notable. Jacona ( talk) 18:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 05:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Indiana. Shellwood ( talk) 07:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I would support the attempt to redirect, except I cannot find any evidence that this is a populated place (given known issues with the reliability of GNIS). Per Reywas92 it seems to be the name of a small airstrip at best and is not an unincorporated community. No redirect is needed and it is not as if there is any significant edit history that would be lost anyway. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 07:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The 1967 topo map shows "McDaniel" next to the small group of homes on Hacker Drive, in the same typeface as other small subdivisions around Martinsville, and the airstrip labeled as "McDaniels Field" appears just to the south in the 1980 version. Based on the (extremely sparse) newspaper coverage, I would surmise that the McDaniel family owned farmland in this area and are responsible for the eponymous road, airstrip and subdivision, none of which are notable under GEOLAND or GNG. I don't think we have enough to justify a mention, or even a redirect, in the Martinsville article. – dlthewave ☎ 18:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Consensus is that there is an unresolved WP:V issue, and given the lack of reliable sourcing, or presence on maps, that seems to be a decent argument. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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- McDaniel, Indiana ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Prodded as the non-notable subdivision that it is, was redirected to the township on the claim that WP:NGEO says this ought to be done. First, I have to say that I don't know whether townships in Indiana are a particularly important layer of organization. Be that as it may, this comes down, once again, to the issue of translating GNIS's "populated place" into "unincorporated community". We've found out long ago that this was a mechanical substitution for a term which has proven to be quite sketchy, so I don't see how we make any claims about what this place is using GNIS as an authority, which is what is happening. I can tell it's a subdivision by looking at the maps and aerials, but that isn't going to cut it for writing an article by our standards. These subdivisions need to be deleted, and these township-level lists of "unincorporated communities' need to go away. Mangoe ( talk) 21:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Washington Township, Morgan County, IndianaMartinsville, Indiana per Wikipedia:NGEO: If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it. Djflem ( talk) 21:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC) - Keep Reverting a perfectly valid redirect for the sole purpose of being able to send it to AFD is both unconstructive and a waste of editors' time here. As long as it remains mentioned in the Washington Township article then the redirect is valid. The issue should be taken up on that article first before trying to delete links to it. Spinning Spark 10:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Per
Wikipedia:Deletion by redirection; Redirecting an article is often an appropriate course of action to be taken when an article clearly fails to meet the general notability guidelines for inclusion. In such cases, a bold redirect to an appropriate page allows the history of the article to be maintained such that future editors may expand the article to establish notability for the subject. And mention in township article should be kept
Djflem (
talk)
11:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but it still needs a reliable source at least confirming existence. I'm not seeing anything that does that. GNIS is not reliable for identifying communities. Spinning Spark 12:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Unable to find any sources beyond the WP:GNIS database attesting to what this is, not even a subdivision or housing development. There's a very short McDaniel Road leading to a farm – this farm has a strip of grass used as an airstrip. [1] says it's owned by a Jim McDaniel. McDaniel Road attaches Robin Road and Hacker Drive that have homes, but it doesn't seem like this is "an unincorporated community" or even a generic subdivision or housing development named after this person. The brother of this or a previous McDaniel was killed in a plane crash departing from here in 1972. It's unconstructive and a waste of editors' time to suggest this zero-effort mass-produced junk "article" should be kept or redirected when we have zero verification of what this place is exactly or that it's notable. Even if the subdivision on Hacker Drive is or was called McDaniel, this is not a notable place, and subdivisions, especially those that are mere houses on a street like this, should not be listed in township articles in general (Indiana has ~5,000 homeowners' associations, which should not be catalogued on Wikipedia, whether these "communities" are in an incorporated area or not). I have removed it from Washington Township since without better sourcing we have no proof it's an "unincorporated town" as was listed there. Reywas92 Talk 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I was unable to find anything to help suggest this is notable. Jacona ( talk) 18:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 05:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Indiana. Shellwood ( talk) 07:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I would support the attempt to redirect, except I cannot find any evidence that this is a populated place (given known issues with the reliability of GNIS). Per Reywas92 it seems to be the name of a small airstrip at best and is not an unincorporated community. No redirect is needed and it is not as if there is any significant edit history that would be lost anyway. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 07:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The 1967 topo map shows "McDaniel" next to the small group of homes on Hacker Drive, in the same typeface as other small subdivisions around Martinsville, and the airstrip labeled as "McDaniels Field" appears just to the south in the 1980 version. Based on the (extremely sparse) newspaper coverage, I would surmise that the McDaniel family owned farmland in this area and are responsible for the eponymous road, airstrip and subdivision, none of which are notable under GEOLAND or GNG. I don't think we have enough to justify a mention, or even a redirect, in the Martinsville article. – dlthewave ☎ 18:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)