- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to West Windsor-Plainsboro Regional School District. Secret account 17:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
- Maurice Hawk Elementary School ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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middle school article, no real claim to notability Jacona ( talk) 23:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 00:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 00:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The nominator is blatantly incorrect. This is an article that's been around for a decade, passed AfD already and for which there are multiple awards and recognition listed in the article, most notably from the National Blue Ribbon Schools Program, a claim backed by appropriate reliable and verifiable sourcing for receipt of the highest award given to primary and secondary schools in the United States. There are other state and national awards listed, which goes far beyond the typical school article and exceeds the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 01:55, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Over 7,500 schools have received been named blue-ribbon schools. Is that notable? Jacona ( talk) 14:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to West Windsor-Plainsboro Regional School District per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. This is a primary school (grades K-3), and as such it needs to pass GNG to be kept. (We probably didn't have the SCHOOLOUTCOMES guideline at the time of the previous AfD back in 2005.) In a search I found absolutely no independent reliable sourcing about this school. The claim that being a Blue Ribbon school makes it automatically notable has never gained consensus; the U.S. Department of Education hypes it as "the highest honor a school can receive" but that's just what it is: hype. There is absolutely no reason why we should have an article about this primary school. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 23:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect as recommended by MelanieN. Surviving a 2005 AfD is irrelevant in 2014. The National Blue Ribbon School Award was a self-nominated award until recent years. This school "won" the award long before self-nomination was eliminated. In my opinion, a self-nominated award can never be evidence of notability. I favor redirecting articles about the vast majority of elementary schools, except for those of exceptional architectural or historical significance. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Middle Schools can be notable. This one validates its claim to notability by documented high achievement. ShulMaven ( talk) 21:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
KeepRedirect I agree that the AFD from 2005 means little now (some of the keeps then boiled down to "It exists, so it's notable") but the Top 10 New Jersey school rating seems enough for a weak keep. Meters ( talk) 05:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)- Perhaps I should have just asked opinions on whether the NJ ranking is sufficient for notability. If it isn't I'll happily change to a "redirect".
Meters (
talk)
05:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I'd consider first place notable, but 8th?
Jacona (
talk)
21:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Fair enough. This school is in the top 1% of the state's schools. The top 1% of the nation's elementary and junior schools would be roughly 1000 schools. That's somewhat more selective than the Blue Ribbon award but not really notable. And that's only considering US schools. I'm changing to a redirect. Meters ( talk) 23:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I'd consider first place notable, but 8th?
Jacona (
talk)
21:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps I should have just asked opinions on whether the NJ ranking is sufficient for notability. If it isn't I'll happily change to a "redirect".
Meters (
talk)
05:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Per ShulMaven and Meters and others. By the way it's not easy to win a self-nominated award, you have to be a) worthy of the award, b) pass evaluation.... --
do
ncr
am
22:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Reply About 5% of U.S. schools have won this award, well over 7000 schools. You really think that an award given so widely confers notability, Doncram? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to West Windsor-Plainsboro Regional School District. Secret account 17:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
- Maurice Hawk Elementary School ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
middle school article, no real claim to notability Jacona ( talk) 23:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 00:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 00:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The nominator is blatantly incorrect. This is an article that's been around for a decade, passed AfD already and for which there are multiple awards and recognition listed in the article, most notably from the National Blue Ribbon Schools Program, a claim backed by appropriate reliable and verifiable sourcing for receipt of the highest award given to primary and secondary schools in the United States. There are other state and national awards listed, which goes far beyond the typical school article and exceeds the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 01:55, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Over 7,500 schools have received been named blue-ribbon schools. Is that notable? Jacona ( talk) 14:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to West Windsor-Plainsboro Regional School District per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. This is a primary school (grades K-3), and as such it needs to pass GNG to be kept. (We probably didn't have the SCHOOLOUTCOMES guideline at the time of the previous AfD back in 2005.) In a search I found absolutely no independent reliable sourcing about this school. The claim that being a Blue Ribbon school makes it automatically notable has never gained consensus; the U.S. Department of Education hypes it as "the highest honor a school can receive" but that's just what it is: hype. There is absolutely no reason why we should have an article about this primary school. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 23:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect as recommended by MelanieN. Surviving a 2005 AfD is irrelevant in 2014. The National Blue Ribbon School Award was a self-nominated award until recent years. This school "won" the award long before self-nomination was eliminated. In my opinion, a self-nominated award can never be evidence of notability. I favor redirecting articles about the vast majority of elementary schools, except for those of exceptional architectural or historical significance. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Middle Schools can be notable. This one validates its claim to notability by documented high achievement. ShulMaven ( talk) 21:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
KeepRedirect I agree that the AFD from 2005 means little now (some of the keeps then boiled down to "It exists, so it's notable") but the Top 10 New Jersey school rating seems enough for a weak keep. Meters ( talk) 05:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)- Perhaps I should have just asked opinions on whether the NJ ranking is sufficient for notability. If it isn't I'll happily change to a "redirect".
Meters (
talk)
05:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I'd consider first place notable, but 8th?
Jacona (
talk)
21:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Fair enough. This school is in the top 1% of the state's schools. The top 1% of the nation's elementary and junior schools would be roughly 1000 schools. That's somewhat more selective than the Blue Ribbon award but not really notable. And that's only considering US schools. I'm changing to a redirect. Meters ( talk) 23:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I'd consider first place notable, but 8th?
Jacona (
talk)
21:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps I should have just asked opinions on whether the NJ ranking is sufficient for notability. If it isn't I'll happily change to a "redirect".
Meters (
talk)
05:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Per ShulMaven and Meters and others. By the way it's not easy to win a self-nominated award, you have to be a) worthy of the award, b) pass evaluation.... --
do
ncr
am
22:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Reply About 5% of U.S. schools have won this award, well over 7000 schools. You really think that an award given so widely confers notability, Doncram? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.