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Unsourced since its creation in 2006, which is no wonder, because this is neither a well known or well referenced subject. A Google search only turns up recipe pages.
Yoninah (
talk) 00:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete There are a near-infinite number of Passover food substitutes, but few merit standalone articles. There is no sourcing in the article and nothing supporting a claim found in a Google search.
Alansohn (
talk) 01:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete or Merge I cannot believe this page has been around for so long judging by what it is. I would say delete or it can be merged into
granola if enough sources could be found to demonstrate it is worthy of inclusion there, but based on what I see it should just be deleted. - GalatzTalk 12:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
'Keep', but rename to
Mazto granola. I have to say I learned something new looking at the article. I did find a a source with farfel here.
[1]. Matzo farfel is just broken up matzo, and "Matzo granola" is by far the COMMONNAME here. Somes sources: books
[2][3]. Martha Stewart
[4] (gotta count for something when Martha...). Multiple news items (around April for an odd reason) -
[5][6][7][8] and plenty others.
Icewhiz (
talk) 14:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC) Struck !vote per support for merge & redirect to subsection.
Icewhiz (
talk) 12:27, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
(see proposal below)Keep (sigh) and rename
Mazto granola. Between granola trivia and the
non-Easter bunny living on the front lawn of the
Naval Observatory I am enmeshed in a surreal Wikipedia silly season. I bow to sources already on the page, those brought by Icewhiz and the annual journalistic need for something new to say about a holiday that has come every year for the last 3,000.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 20:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
I don't doubt that matzo granola exists, and Martha Stewart (who calls it "thinking out of the box") and her proteges are certainly giving it coverage, but it has no history before the 21st century.
Gil Marks' Encyclopedia of Jewish Food doesn't mention it.
Joan Nathan doesn't mention it. There's no history to speak of in a Wikipedia article. What are we going to write, a recipe?
Yoninah (
talk) 21:09, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Thats why I said it could be a section under the main granola article. Put together a paragraph and let this page redirect to there.GalatzTalk 21:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Proposing we Redirect to
granola. [[
User:Galatz and
User:Yoninah have a point.
granola is quite a short article; this is a type of granola (an imitation mthat stay within the narrow dietary restrictions of
Passover); and despite the annual spate of article covering this recent introduciton to the Passover diet, granola matzah is a very narrow topic. Redirect is a perfect solution.@
Icewhiz,
Alansohn,
Yoninah, and
Galatz:E.M.Gregory (
talk) 21:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)@
Icewhiz,
Alansohn,
Yoninah, and
Galatz:reply
We have content here. I agree both are short, so a merge is possible - but this should be a merge, not a redirect. Note that the definition of Matzo Granola, which does not use
Rolled oats (which are not Kosher for pesach - oats being one of the 5 grains - this would be seen as
Chametzgamur) contradicts with the definition of
Granola in the granola article which is defined to use rolled oats as the primary ingredient. We would have to modify the lede of granola accordingly (or redirect to a subsection on matzo granola), lest we cause confusion amongst our readers regarding the use of a patently non-Pesachdic ingredient in a food product that is alleged (by the mazto prefix) to be pesachdic.
Icewhiz (
talk) 09:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Icewhiz: but look how it's done at
Farfel. Matzo farfel has nothing to do with egg pasta, but the two are combined in the same article.
Yoninah (
talk) 10:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, but
Farfel (being a stub in itself) makes clear that Matzo farfel is matzo, and contains content on matzo farfel (around 33% of the article). I am not opposed to a merge - but the lede (or alternatively a redirect to a subsection) would have to be modified and content added to
Granola. A simple straight up redirect won't do - to the contrary - it would present false information to whomever is interested in "matzo granola".
Icewhiz (
talk) 10:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I'm getting my terms mixed up. I think the best solution is a subsection on matzo granola in the
granola article, just as matzo farfel will (eventually) be a subsection in the
farfel article.
Yoninah (
talk) 10:53, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete with love This made me giggle way too much; since it's Pesach now to think that an article for such a specific food item existed for so long is hilarious.
Waddie96 (
talk) 15:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:35, 28 March 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Unsourced since its creation in 2006, which is no wonder, because this is neither a well known or well referenced subject. A Google search only turns up recipe pages.
Yoninah (
talk) 00:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete There are a near-infinite number of Passover food substitutes, but few merit standalone articles. There is no sourcing in the article and nothing supporting a claim found in a Google search.
Alansohn (
talk) 01:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete or Merge I cannot believe this page has been around for so long judging by what it is. I would say delete or it can be merged into
granola if enough sources could be found to demonstrate it is worthy of inclusion there, but based on what I see it should just be deleted. - GalatzTalk 12:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
'Keep', but rename to
Mazto granola. I have to say I learned something new looking at the article. I did find a a source with farfel here.
[1]. Matzo farfel is just broken up matzo, and "Matzo granola" is by far the COMMONNAME here. Somes sources: books
[2][3]. Martha Stewart
[4] (gotta count for something when Martha...). Multiple news items (around April for an odd reason) -
[5][6][7][8] and plenty others.
Icewhiz (
talk) 14:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC) Struck !vote per support for merge & redirect to subsection.
Icewhiz (
talk) 12:27, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
(see proposal below)Keep (sigh) and rename
Mazto granola. Between granola trivia and the
non-Easter bunny living on the front lawn of the
Naval Observatory I am enmeshed in a surreal Wikipedia silly season. I bow to sources already on the page, those brought by Icewhiz and the annual journalistic need for something new to say about a holiday that has come every year for the last 3,000.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 20:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
I don't doubt that matzo granola exists, and Martha Stewart (who calls it "thinking out of the box") and her proteges are certainly giving it coverage, but it has no history before the 21st century.
Gil Marks' Encyclopedia of Jewish Food doesn't mention it.
Joan Nathan doesn't mention it. There's no history to speak of in a Wikipedia article. What are we going to write, a recipe?
Yoninah (
talk) 21:09, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Thats why I said it could be a section under the main granola article. Put together a paragraph and let this page redirect to there.GalatzTalk 21:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Proposing we Redirect to
granola. [[
User:Galatz and
User:Yoninah have a point.
granola is quite a short article; this is a type of granola (an imitation mthat stay within the narrow dietary restrictions of
Passover); and despite the annual spate of article covering this recent introduciton to the Passover diet, granola matzah is a very narrow topic. Redirect is a perfect solution.@
Icewhiz,
Alansohn,
Yoninah, and
Galatz:E.M.Gregory (
talk) 21:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)@
Icewhiz,
Alansohn,
Yoninah, and
Galatz:reply
We have content here. I agree both are short, so a merge is possible - but this should be a merge, not a redirect. Note that the definition of Matzo Granola, which does not use
Rolled oats (which are not Kosher for pesach - oats being one of the 5 grains - this would be seen as
Chametzgamur) contradicts with the definition of
Granola in the granola article which is defined to use rolled oats as the primary ingredient. We would have to modify the lede of granola accordingly (or redirect to a subsection on matzo granola), lest we cause confusion amongst our readers regarding the use of a patently non-Pesachdic ingredient in a food product that is alleged (by the mazto prefix) to be pesachdic.
Icewhiz (
talk) 09:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Icewhiz: but look how it's done at
Farfel. Matzo farfel has nothing to do with egg pasta, but the two are combined in the same article.
Yoninah (
talk) 10:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, but
Farfel (being a stub in itself) makes clear that Matzo farfel is matzo, and contains content on matzo farfel (around 33% of the article). I am not opposed to a merge - but the lede (or alternatively a redirect to a subsection) would have to be modified and content added to
Granola. A simple straight up redirect won't do - to the contrary - it would present false information to whomever is interested in "matzo granola".
Icewhiz (
talk) 10:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I'm getting my terms mixed up. I think the best solution is a subsection on matzo granola in the
granola article, just as matzo farfel will (eventually) be a subsection in the
farfel article.
Yoninah (
talk) 10:53, 22 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete with love This made me giggle way too much; since it's Pesach now to think that an article for such a specific food item existed for so long is hilarious.
Waddie96 (
talk) 15:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:35, 28 March 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.